I hope one day Vicky and all her/his people can get their own country to make there own laws and do as they please because the rest of us seem to be the problem.

who cares who marries who, I know I dont, I have more important things to worry about than something that doesnt even last that long these days anyway, and is just on a piece of paper.

Only thing I dont see that looks right is when kids are involved in a same sex marriage, everyone needs a mommy and daddy, or at least a male, and a female, to help direct them through life. 2 mommys wont know what to tell a 12 year old boy as he is growing up as they were never a 12 year old boy. And a male that turned into a female ('da HeShe) will definately not be able to help the poor kid!!

Some people can mannage with a one parent family, but when you mix it up to include 2 of the same, it just makes it tougher, not impossible, but tougher.

But once again, I still dont have any time to worry much about this subject, Ill leave it up to everyone else and the people involved to think it out.

dont let the strugle wear you down rory...
you must maintain your resolve and stand firm on social tyranny!

I hope one day Vicky and all her/his people can get their own country to make there own laws and do as they please because the rest of us seem to be the problem.


It would be such a nice country at that. Were people can be them selves with out having to be hypocrites. We everyone’s religion and creed is the right one. Dignity and equal human rights for all. Yes I have a dream. Were you do love you neighbor (not sexually as some would imply). Were you are your brother/sisters keeper. A country were the leaders make sure every house holds pot has meat (a native American custom) before they can go home and eat. A place were we would treat everyone just as we our selves would want to be treated.
I would leave on the next thing going in that direction.

And you all could stay right here and discriminate and hate each other for every difference you can think of. Because when you no longer have us to hate and blame for your ills you will look for some other type of person to make less human.

But because that is only a dream and this is our country to:
We’er here we’re queer get used to it.

who cares who marries who, I know I dont, I have more important things to worry about than something that doesnt even last that long these days anyway, and is just on a piece of paper.
Thanks Rory our point made.


Only thing I dont see that looks right is when kids are involved in a same sex marriage, everyone needs a mommy and daddy, or at least a male, and a female, to help direct them through life. 2 mommys wont know what to tell a 12 year old boy as he is growing up as they were never a 12 year old boy. And a male that turned into a female ('da HeShe) will definately not be able to help the poor kid!!
Now I have 2 children and a grand they all know and they are just like any other kid nowadays. Except for one thing they don’t hate because some one is different. My grand a 5 yrs could swim 54 ft in length (not depth) underwater on 1 breath. No mask fins or snorkel. She has been spear fishing with me at 5yrs she is 6 now. I plan on putting a spear and sling under the Christmas tree when she is thirteen, Along with her first cosmetics bag.
Oh and I have taught most of the young males in my family how to fish and spearfish, How to go those few extra feet and make a brain shot.
So we s/hes can do just fine bringing up kids. Oh and yes most of my family knows who I am.
So you have a problem with 2 females bring up a child. What if 2 sisters live in the same house and bring up the child.
Do you feel a man is incapable of neutering a child? Hugging and loving the child as women would. I think you make this assumption because you yourself might not be able to. (Not said in a bad way but in an understanding tone)



Some people can mannage with a one parent family, but when you mix it up to include 2 of the same, it just makes it tougher, not impossible, but tougher.

Tougher because everyone around the child makes a point of the differance in his/her family. Just as a child had it tough years ago when his/her parrents were mixed race. Some kids are still catching flack because their parrents are mixed race.


But once again, I still dont have any time to worry much about this subject, Ill leave it up to everyone else and the people involved to think it out.

Well first off, to a question Vicki asked a while back about decadency and the supposed role it plays in the destruction of nations:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world's greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." --Alexander Tyler, 1778

Please bear in mind that the first half of the quote pertains to a democratic government, the latter half refers to "the average of the world's greatest civilizations" (for those who have issues with subjects and predicates).


This will always be a conversation in perpetuation. The ways in which we are born, the ways in which we love and the ways in which we live are so intertwined in religion (enslavement) it's not even funny.

Let's start with The Book of Genesis then, "Who told thee thou was naked?"
Hmm?
I've done some serious self searching in order to better understand both myself and the "like unto-ness" of the human race. But I've always been sober enough to draw the line at a proper point of discernment which not only reflects myself, but reflects reality. My comfort level has little or nothing to do with the lines I draw.
I understand the cultures I've studied, I understand stupidity and I understand "evil". Why? Because in order to understand these concepts, for a short period of time I had to become them.

I am not gay, BUT I understand what makes Man so beautiful, I can stare at pictures of naked men all damned day and not have an inordinate, untoward thought. I can stare at pictures of naked women all day and not have an untoward thought. (Hold on now, I DO have a point.) But if I acquired a picture of a half naked woman with a well shaped posterior clad in some form fitting jeans, then my thoughts bend...moreover...if she is fairer than me in complexion...they bend more...if she is blonde this condition will not present itself....if she is ugly...the condition will not present itself...if she is wearing lipliner and platform heels (especially the clear kind) the condition will present itself. WHY?
I do not know. Honestly.

But I know I do not like prostitutes or evil and loose women, but evil and loose women aren't the only women that adorn themselves this way.

I cannot conclude that I was born with a denim fetish, because I came to understand and develop the concept of "denim = sex" quite sometime after my birth. I've yet to encounter such a human, one born with concepts already considered.

But I know this, the only thing that will change this condition is impotence. Granted most conditions can change, this one wont. Condition changes condition.

Now, supposed I was born with this condition in a society where, say "A woman isn't supposed to wear the clothes of a man." (which I read somewhere in the Old Testament but can't remember where it is) Which is by the way, what De Nimes (French) were made for; men.

Anyone who agreed with this doctrine, would promptly and deftly lodge a number of rocks upside my head until I'd depart this mortal coil. How deliciously modern! So, this is what I notice when I hear people respond a certain way to the topic of diverse sexuality. "Omar, were we living in the Old Testament times, I would kill you over your sexual leniency." This tells me, that at heart they are murderers. Ironically, like those found in Sodom and Gomorrah. And you, Vicki, you who know all about Sodom and Gomorrah, why are you pushing for legislature there when you know what happened to it?

And then you meet someone like Vicki, someone unique in someways, like unto myself in others. And to this I have to say, "Vicki, you know something, Old Testament law makes no mention of hermaphrodites, so I guess you don't exist." <<Laughing
Seriously though, the Bible doesn't even mention "black" in reference to skin tone until Song of Solomon. So, they must've not existed until then. And it's not mentioned in the Book of Revelation so "we" must still not exist.

I take offense, by and large when Bahamians post on these message boards "The God of The Israelites", my fellow Bahamians if you still think that way...you believe in nothing. The King of The Jews was crucified and rose to be something new, and if you STILL believe him to be the "King of The Jews" aka "The God of The Isrealites", then you do not know YAHWEH.

So this notion of finding a solution to what most consider "the GLBT Problem" is almost void. Almost. In Genesis, Man is given dominion over their respective worlds NOT the earth. (Dominion over the earth was rescinded when Man was cast out of Eden and we no long had to ask for food from the ground, we had to sweat for it).
In my world Vicki, you are every bit as equal to me as you and I can agree and work on. I can teach you everything I know. I can share my experiences, my love, life and my religions if you'd like. But what I can't share is my wife. That is my power as a human, I can share my considerations and experiences.
Sadly, alot of people today aren't that considerate with their world. They cling to it and they will lose it. Their viewpoint is more to the order of, "Learn my practices b!+ch35 or be stoned to death by human puppets who follow but don't understand!"

There is a sharp contrast between OT and NT presentation of The Godhead. Chiefly, the rate in which MERCY or GRACE pokes it head in the accounts and recounts of saints and sinners alike. You're pushing for the legal right to choose. My advice to you dearest Vicki, is not to. The LAW is a dangerous thing to live under. It will force you to compromise.

How many of us claim to be Christian and yet turn right around during the period of the feast of Saturnalia and rush in Junkanoo? How'd we get to that Vicki? Do you really want to be a law living whore just like the rest of us? Or do you want to be one who lives under grace and awareness? Remember, if you can change the law to safeguard GLBT Rights (moreover Human Rights), so can...some one who hates you.

It's hard and frustrating when people claim to worship and adhere to the principles of a diety who sacrificed Himself to bring grace and free will, yet deny grace and freewill to others, isn't it? So why do you want live and push legislature in a community where such people abound?


I'm not finished yet, I gatta go eat, but I'll be back to clear up any misconceptions.

OK to continue...

I understand that there have been some heroes who stood up for what they believed and voiced their opinion in the name of Human Rights, like for example Martin Luther King Jr. But look around you Vicki, the same people that would call him hero, are the same ones who'd turn right around and stab one another in the back and deny you your God-given rights. Then take what King did and pervert it by adhering it to their own personal cause. ("Black Empowerment"/"Black Imperialism.") spending the rest of their lives honoring King as a "black" hero as opposed to a human one.
What I'm about to say, most will find offensive, and man I guess that's just too bad. But I believe in YAHWEH, the Firstborn of The Dead, The Alpha and Omega, King of KINGS and Lord of LORDS and I believe He walked this earth in the form of the man Yeshua Bar Joseph (and other times before that).
I believe He granted EVERY LIVING SOUL the right to free will AS WELL AS the responsibilities that come along with the sequences and consequences that accompany good decisions and bad decisions. That is fundamental to being human. And as far as humanity is concerned (in my opinion) one MUST master being human before even considering the attempt at divinity. So from now on, all a yinna who come on this forum talking bout what is wrong, evil and abomination, I'd like to hear every last"Christian post" start out with praise to your respective "god" and how and what sins he/she rescued you from.

To those of us who follow in His footsteps, we should remember to do just that. FOLLOW IN HIS FOOTSTEPS.
This is the God who spared Lucifer/Satan and allowed his actions up to a time appointed when He will set things right. I find it nothing short of repulsive that sinners can point fingers at Vicki and hold Vicki in the same regard as they do the Devil himself and yet, do not follow in their own God's footsteps and/or acknowledge their own transgressions.

So we end in Revelation 22:11 "Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

Challenge reiterated.

Wow what wisdom I rank you up there with CG. But there are just a few things I need to help you with.

Well first off, to a question Vicki asked a while back about decadency and the supposed role it plays in the destruction of nations:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world's greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." --Alexander Tyler, 1778

Please bear in mind that the first half of the quote pertains to a democratic government, the latter half refers to "the average of the world's greatest civilizations" (for those who have issues with subjects and predicates).


This will always be a conversation in perpetuation. The ways in which we are born, the ways in which we love and the ways in which we live are so intertwined in religion (enslavement) it's not even funny.

Let's start with The Book of Genesis then, "Who told thee thou was naked?"
Hmm?
I've done some serious self searching in order to better understand both myself and the "like unto-ness" of the human race. But I've always been sober enough to draw the line at a proper point of discernment which not only reflects myself, but reflects reality. My comfort level has little or nothing to do with the lines I draw.
I understand the cultures I've studied, I understand stupidity and I understand "evil". Why? Because in order to understand these concepts, for a short period of time I had to become them.

I am not gay, BUT I understand what makes Man so beautiful, I can stare at pictures of naked men all damned day and not have an inordinate, untoward thought. I can stare at pictures of naked women all day and not have an untoward thought. (Hold on now, I DO have a point.) But if I acquired a picture of a half naked woman with a well shaped posterior clad in some form fitting jeans, then my thoughts bend...moreover...if she is fairer than me in complexion...they bend more...if she is blonde this condition will not present itself....if she is ugly...the condition will not present itself...if she is wearing lipliner and platform heels (especially the clear kind) the condition will present itself. WHY?
I do not know. Honestly.
Its called human sexuality. When a woman is of the age of child bearing here legs are longer that that of a girl that is not of child bearing. It is not the height of the women but the length of her legs in relation to her body that is attractive. Also a woman that takes short steps is more attractive than a woman that strides. Just look at the runway models. A woman that takes small steps is seen as more helpless. A woman that takes strides is seen as very able and less in need of a man or partner.
The lip liner you must again understand sex and sexuality. When a woman becomes aroused the lips of her virgina become engorged with blood. Thus will swell and become red. As a woman nears climax her lips also swell and become redder.


But I know I do not like prostitutes or evil and loose women, but evil and loose women aren't the only women that adorn themselves this way.

You also refer to a woman that knows and uses the power of her sexuality as evil. This is because males see them selves as the dominant sex and when anything takes away this vision they call it evil. If a man goes out and has sex with a few women he is called a man. If a woman goes out and has sex with a few men she is called a whore or tramp. What’s wrong with this picture? Majority of heterosexual men get very turned with the thought/sight or to be with 2 very feminine woman having sex. Here is another thought. A man in bed with 2 women but turn it around and a woman in bed with 2 men. Kind of a double standard wouldn't you say.

I cannot conclude that I was born with a denim fetish, because I came to understand and develop the concept of "denim = sex" quite sometime after my birth. I've yet to encounter such a human, one born with concepts already considered.

But I know this, the only thing that will change this condition is impotence. Granted most conditions can change, this one wont. Condition changes condition.

Now, supposed I was born with this condition in a society where, say "A woman isn't supposed to wear the clothes of a man." (which I read somewhere in the Old Testament but can't remember where it is) Which is by the way, what De Nimes (French) were made for; men.


Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God

I have had the opportunity to talk with a Rabbi on this and other things pertaining to the Old Testament. Please note “pertaineth” which means anything that a man wears that represents being male. Such as pants.
Now move on to garment. Here historical context in much needed. The clothes of people are mentioned in the Bible such as cloaks coats and so on. The Rabbi said as best as they have discussed garments refer to underwear as we now call it. Now relate to a woman’s menstruation and uncleanly ness.
Also the Rabbi said if he went out a bought a bra and put it on he is not wrong because it is his it does not belong to a woman. Now if it said pertaineth to a women then there would be no doubt.

My question to all you men is, bra are you man enough to wear 1???
"He's a Lady" is coming on on channal 15 cable. October 19th Reality game show.
http://tbs.tv/shows/hesalady/0%2C%2C%2C00.html

Anyone who agreed with this doctrine, would promptly and deftly lodge a number of rocks upside my head until I'd depart this mortal coil. How deliciously modern! So, this is what I notice when I hear people respond a certain way to the topic of diverse sexuality. "Omar, were we living in the Old Testament times, I would kill you over your sexual leniency." This tells me, that at heart they are murderers. Ironically, like those found in Sodom and Gomorrah. And you, Vicki, you who know all about Sodom and Gomorrah, why are you pushing for legislature there when you know what happened to it?

I don't know much about Sodom and Gomorrah only what I have read in the Bible and discussed with others and the Rabbi. For all I know its as much a myth as the unicorn also mentioned 9 times in the Bible.
The Rabbi said some like to say it was destroyed because of homosexual activity. But majority of the Jewish faith believe inhospitality. This can be proven in research in the rest of the Old Testament reference to others sins but none to homosexuality. It was destroyed because of inhospitality.


And then you meet someone like Vicki, someone unique in someways, like unto myself in others. And to this I have to say, "Vicki, you know something, Old Testament law makes no mention of hermaphrodites, so I guess you don't exist." <<Laughing
Again historical context plays a major roll here. Hermaphrodite was the word for a Greek goddess that had both sexes. Pronounced Hermaphrodita how could the Israelites use the name of a goddess to describe a human condition. The word eunuch is used. Mathew 19 12 states very clearly that there are eunuches that are from their mother’s womb. I would post a pic to prove my point but it is x rated. But understand this the clitoris and penis come from the same tissue in the fetus.

Seriously though, the Bible doesn't even mention "black" in reference to skin tone until Song of Solomon. So, they must've not existed until then. And it's not mentioned in the Book of Revelation so "we" must still not exist.

I take offense, by and large when Bahamians post on these message boards "The God of The Israelites", my fellow Bahamians if you still think that way...you believe in nothing. The King of The Jews was crucified and rose to be something new, and if you STILL believe him to be the "King of The Jews" aka "The God of The Isrealites", then you do not know YAHWEH.

So this notion of finding a solution to what most consider "the GLBT Problem" is almost void. Almost. In Genesis, Man is given dominion over their respective worlds NOT the earth. (Dominion over the earth was rescinded when Man was cast out of Eden and we no long had to ask for food from the ground, we had to sweat for it).
In my world Vicki, you are every bit as equal to me as you and I can agree and work on. I can teach you everything I know. I can share my experiences, my love, life and my religions if you'd like. But what I can't share is my wife. That is my power as a human, I can share my considerations and experiences.

In my world parietal_03, you are every bit as equal to me as you and I can agree and work on. I can teach you everything I know. I can share my experiences, my love, life and my religions if you'd like. But what I can't share is my wife. That is my power as a human, I can share my considerations and experiences.
Sadly, alot of people today aren't that considerate with their world. They cling to it and they will lose it. Their viewpoint is more to the order of, "Learn my practices b!+ch35 or be stoned to death by human puppets who follow but don't understand!"

That’s right our world as we know is for a few revaluations around the sun. Then we do what we all must in do order to live, and that is to die.

There is a sharp contrast between OT and NT presentation of The Godhead. Chiefly, the rate in which MERCY or GRACE pokes it head in the accounts and recounts of saints and sinners alike. You're pushing for the legal right to choose. My advice to you dearest Vicki, is not to. The LAW is a dangerous thing to live under. It will force you to compromise.
We must all live under the law of man. But it is how we live under the understanding of the Creator given to us in Christ teachings that is life.
I do not know what I will have to compromise. If you mean to choose between life and freedom know now I choose freedom. I understand what this world demands of me and I also know what and where my heart is. Just because I am not all dolled up every day does not make me less of who I am. :cutie:


How many of us claim to be Christian and yet turn right around during the period of the feast of Saturnalia and rush in Junkanoo? How'd we get to that Vicki? Do you really want to be a law living whore just like the rest of us? Or do you want to be one who lives under grace and awareness? Remember, if you can change the law to safeguard GLBT Rights (moreover Human Rights), so can...some one who hates you.
You forgot Easter with bunny rabits and eggs
It's hard and frustrating when people claim to worship and adhere to the principles of a diety who sacrificed Himself to bring grace and free will, yet deny grace and freewill to others, isn't it? So why do you want live and push legislature in a community where such people abound?
Because someone has to do it. And its not just me there are many more I just happen to be a voice that is heard here and a few other places. Would I be out in the for front Yes very much so. But I love my wife and family so out of respecting her and her fear I keep it very low key. She is not affraid of me living as a woman she is affraid of what others will do.
How ever my wife :heartbeat stood with me and the Alliance the day the crusie ship came in. We were accuesed of being 2 women holding hands, hugging up and kissing. Well I was as proud as a peahen. (can't use peacock it would be out of context)

I'm not finished yet, I gatta go eat, but I'll be back to clear up any misconceptions.

OK to continue...

I understand that there have been some heroes who stood up for what they believed and voiced their opinion in the name of Human Rights, like for example Martin Luther King Jr. But look around you Vicki, the same people that would call him hero, are the same ones who'd turn right around and stab one another in the back and deny you your God-given rights. Then take what King did and pervert it by adhering it to their own personal cause. ("Black Empowerment"/"Black Imperialism.") spending the rest of their lives honoring King as a "black" hero as opposed to a human one.

Even Christ had his Judas who betrayed him and Paul who twisted Christ’s teachings to his own version. Not to mention Emperor Constantine and the rest of the Christian leaders.
What I'm about to say, most will find offensive, and man I guess that's just too bad. But I believe in YAHWEH, the Firstborn of The Dead, The Alpha and Omega, King of KINGS and Lord of LORDS and I believe He walked this earth in the form of the man Yeshua Bar Joseph (and other times before that).
I believe He granted EVERY LIVING SOUL the right to free will AS WELL AS the responsibilities that come along with the sequences and consequences that accompany good decisions and bad decisions. That is fundamental to being human. And as far as humanity is concerned (in my opinion) one MUST master being human before even considering the attempt at divinity. So from now on, all a yinna who come on this forum talking bout what is wrong, evil and abomination, I'd like to hear every last"Christian post" start out with praise to your respective "god" and how and what sins he/she rescued you from.

To those of us who follow in His footsteps, we should remember to do just that. FOLLOW IN HIS FOOTSTEPS.
This is the God who spared Lucifer/Satan and allowed his actions up to a time appointed when He will set things right. I find it nothing short of repulsive that sinners can point fingers at Vicki and hold Vicki in the same regard as they do the Devil himself and yet, do not follow in their own God's footsteps and/or acknowledge their own transgressions.
The Creator created Lucifer/Satan for the Creators purpose we have no understanding as to why. When the Creator was finished creating the Creator said it was good. Hitler, Osama Bin Laden Mother Teresa you and I all serve the Creators intent.

So we end in Revelation 22:11 "Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

Challenge reiterated.

"But I know I do not like prostitutes or evil and loose women, but evil and loose women aren't the only women that adorn themselves this way.
You also refer to a woman that knows and uses the power of her sexuality as evil."


See Vicki, das why I like you so much, because just like me, no matter how thorough we think we are, somehow, someway we end up being misunderstood.

Not exactly what I meant, that's why I said I KNOW that evil and loose women aren't the only women who adorn themselves this way. My wife is VERY knowledgeable and powerful sexually as far as I'm concerned because she appeals to my sexual aesthetic. She knows exactly what to do and how to do it to usurp my attention. She is not evil or loose. Granted she is of what people refer to as the Caucasian race she has a VERY well shaped body and she's aware of the affect/effect it produces in some males. She's modest when she needs be and full on fire per situation.


The History of Denim
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bllevi.htm
http://www.designboom.com/eng/education/denim2.html

The impression I get from those two articles is that denim was by and large used for men. The same way high heels were by and large first and foremostly used by men.
However, I do respect the Rabbi's interpretation.


"For all I know its as much a myth as the unicorn also mentioned 9 times in the Bible.
The Rabbi said some like to say it was destroyed because of homosexual activity. But majority of the Jewish faith believe inhospitality. This can be proven in research in the rest of the Old Testament reference to others sins but none to homosexuality. It was destroyed because of inhospitality."

About Sodom and Gomorrah, my findings have led me to come to the conclusion that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because the people there did something wrong.

"20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous,
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know."

Now, almost EVERYTIME the Bible gives an account of someone being struck down by God, it's for a certain reason in particular. For example Eli's sons, Ananias and Sapphira etc.
Whereas, if the only reason were same gender sex relations, shouldn't the island of Lesbos have been destroyed too? Shouldn't Ham (according to most Christian Theologists) have been struck down too? What happened to Rome and Samaria?

About Hermaphroditism

I can't find the Greek history on the net (limited time search) but I have read Ovid's Metamorphoses, (a record of myths) it talks about
http://plagiarist.com/poetry/3854/
(Scroll down until you see "The Transformation of Tiresias" on the left side and read from then on) The staff of Hermes (with the two snakes entwined representing sensation and intuition, which really is the only thing that separates humans from each other in any aspect) being used to change a man's gender to see which he loves being the most. The Greek goddess of love being Aphrodite, doesn't appear in any account I've read, but still since love is mentioned I guess it goes toward the myth. <<shrugs>>


" But I love my wife and family so out of respecting her and her fear I keep it very low key. She is not affraid of me living as a woman she is affraid of what others will do."

And she is rightly so, people will go and use what you say and do and in the future take it out of context, just like they do with their respective deities. That's all I'm saying, I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying count the cost.

See, damn, I gatta go again. But when I come back I'll shed some light on my background and where I'm coming from so you may better understand in context and in pattern how what I'm saying may pertain to you.

Later

First and foremost let me say this. YAHWEH is my GOD. YAHWEH orders my steps and gives me my parameters. I am not a brown-noser. I do my best to live my best within those parameters set by the Incarnation of Himself and His Son, also known as Yeshua Bar Joseph.
I have no denomination, my body is the temple I worship in.
That said Vicki, let me show you where I have come from and been led to.

My first name is Omar. I am the maternal grandson of the Ipsissimus from James Cistern, Eleuthera.
I KNOW there is a God of GODS. I know this because I grew up with demons and around demons. At age six I knew the order of the satellites in Chaldean order, at seven I knew what it truly meant to bring a child into this world and why YAHWEH wanted it done under certain and specific circumstances. In spite of all this YAHWEH reach through and pull me out. (Psalm 18:16)

I met Delroy at an artwork shop when I was 16 -17, this was back when Delroy used to listen to Korn, and Delroy (if he can remember) would tell you how I broke all my music CDs because I would hear the evil prayers behind the music. That is said to say; I know Delroy, from way-back-when and I do not consider him evil or my enemy. He is only doing what he knows to be right, and like myself, only one person (or God rather) can tell Delroy that he is wrong in how he is going about with his decisions. And so, on certain subjects, I commend Delroy to YAHWEH.

To make a long account short, my testimony is of the damage ritual magick (with a "K") can do to a house, to a generation and to an individual. But when I open my mouth to talk sense in the name of The Adonai, all people hear is this...

"jgwkegaufrg;aoiguf;oq325yi"

And that's my curse.

As a result, I ended up having to leave Nassau, because a DJ threatened to shoot me when I would talk about Masonic principles and principalities and how they are the distortions of Divine understanding.
Persecution, shame and scandal has followed me, but it hasn't slowed me down one bit.

I find it morbidly amusing how hypocritical Bahamians can get sometimes. They fight claw and nail against homosexuality even though it is a condition that cannot be changed by the individual that has it, only by the God that allowed it; yet, they sit in either silence or excuses as provisions are made for adultery, coveteousness, and insincerity.

I haven't been on BahamasIssues.com for a long period of time, and when I am able to come it is sporadically, even so I have yet to come across a thread discussing The Esoteric Orders and Principles of The Masonic Lodge.
At the very least, I don't even have my full freedom of speech, I cannot swear if I want or choose to. This I took up with Delroy before. He and I both agreed, that the right and responsibility to govern the vernacular and diction on BahamasIssues.com is reserved by him.
With this said, why is it that in a cyberspace (moreover a Bahamaland) that belongs to Vicki just as much as it belongs to Delroy can't Vicki be free to be Vicki without castigation.

Delroy did not create cyberspace; but he has a certain amount of control over it. Vicki did not create the Commonwealth of the Bahamas, but as a Bahamian citizen Vicki should have some dominion over what happens within it's borders.
Vicki is different from Delroy, and no matter what proverb, parable, analogy you give: No one can convince me it is a fair and balanced situation as far as Vicki and people like Vicki is concerned that because there are more people like Delroy and Omar- more provisions should be made for them and provisions should be taken away from Vicki and the like.

But it ain't really a matter of convincing parietal_03, you may say. And that's true. But if you consider Vicki a minority, remember what was once said about the least of these. Those that consider Vicki an outlaw, remember the thief who was given Paradise on the day of his death by The One Himself. To those who consider Vicki a spiritual courier of demonic theology, remember that the learned men of the law and scripture said the same thing about Yeshua Bar Joseph.

See, He has a message for everyone, but are you listening to His message for you? I see few Christians here willing to lift a finger even to lessen the burden for people unlike themselves.
The God ya'll claim to serve drank alcohol, walked with whores, dirty mouthed fishermen, and stayed in the home of a dirty IRS agent(Zaccheus), he beat people out of a church for selling in his name.
(Meanwhile how many Pastors on this very website selling books they wrote or copyrighting material they claim to receive from The Holy Spirit in their names?
How many church sponsored cookouts and events been posted on this site since it began? How many more "priests of God" need more money to buy more stupid costumes so they can be placed candidly in the banner at the top of this page?)
Christ gave up His home and vocation to be about the business of His Father in Heaven, so why it is that some of these priests within these denominations accept tithes and offerings and use them to fund their children's education-all the while claiming to be DISCIPLES of The One True God? (And yes, I know all about the "workman being worthy of his wages," but REALLY WHY?)
Why do these things go unspoken against?
It IS unfair to withold a human's Human rights. The sun shines on the just and the unjust. It IS unfair and evil to withold mercy from someone who doesn't know and/or isn't capable of doing better. (Micah 6:8)
Vicki cannot change her sexual orientation any more than you or I can. (Jeremiah 1:5)

*Oh and by the way, in this verse it says YAHWEH "knew" Jeremiah before he was shaped in the womb, does this mean He is a foetus raper? No, what is means is, the good and righteousness we have within is created and known by YAHWEH, and the evil, the vice and the iniquity we acquire is shaped by something else entirely.

To those who disagree, I challenge you to prove me wrong simply: by with how ever many strokes of the keys on your keyboards it takes, make Vicki into "Victor" and make this would-be "Victor" what you would call 'heterosexual'.
You cannot do that any more than Omar can make himself "Omarina" the big-racked solid gal who enjoys the company of males. Any more than Delroy can make himself blond-haired, blue eyed and gay.

But you see- I know better, the banner of this website has a supposed 'man of God' whose denomination has made/portrayed (more than just a few times)"Jesus Christ" as a blond, blue eyed, fair skinned man of Anglo Saxon stock. How many graven images are in the temple where he holds service? See, these are things I also would expect to be discussed if I were niave. But they are not, are they? And so I am not.

In all probability this post might be removed because it is out of context. Because there is sin (apparently "what all good people do") and abomination ("what gays do").
If there is NO concession or provision for homosexuality, there should be NONE for adultery. NONE for people who sexing and een married. NONE for blasphemy, NONE for people who lie, NONE for people from Nazareth (because "nothing good comes from Nazareth"). NONE for slaves and they children because they mussy deserve it if they slaves. NO concession or provisions for people who come from Ethiopia and/or The Niger and their descendants. NONE because they're black and "that's the colour of evil." NO concession or provision for a person who into occult symbols because if The ONE was crucified on the Ankh/Tau "He must have been evil and therefore not have been The ONE". NONE for the Jews because their own God tell them they "stiffnecked people."

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?search=stiff+necked&SearchType=OR&version=NIV&restrict=&StartRestrict=&EndRestrict=&rpp=25&language=english&searchpage=0&x=18&y=3

Reconsider people, be sober, observant, unassuming and study to show yourselves approved. Not to me, but to who ya'll claim ya'll serving. Christ is the fulfillment of the law, and He sacrificed Himself (law) to bring mercy. A man who wants friends must show himself friendly, a man who wishes to be human must be humane, a man who wishes to be divine must first be the human his God (or gods) made/expects him to be. If you een gat no god or just plain don't believe in none, then be true to yourself (to your humanity).

Malachi 1: 6
Das all for now I guess.

nice to have someone relatively "new" to mix things up a bit.
If you een gat no god or just plain don't believe in none, then be true to yourself (to your humanity).

i guess this part applies to me and that's how i try to live. The Masonic lodge plays a rather minor role (or so it seems to me) compared to the chapters established in europe and the US. I even considered joining but after lengthy discussions on other boards i frequent, i decided against it. Nowadays i tend to stay far away from anything involved with religion. But like CG, Vicky, Rory, Yk2bad and a handful of others...i look forward to your future postings.

LOL See why you could never assume. Son, If you didn't post that, I woulda gone the rest of my life believe you was Zen Buddhist. "Bonze" is Archaic Japanese for "prophet."
So that's an alternate spelling for bones?

yes it is...but the first part of the name is an acronym i came up with when i was 11 that translates into knowledge being the ultimate force. Actually my ways resemble those of a buddhist (or so they tell me) the reason i said that i stay away from religion is that it causes too many conflicts and i detest most conflict. I'm tired of people jumping down my throat when i don't share their views, if it was a simple act of interacting i could deal but with bahamians it just degenerates into mud slinging. Honestly i know i can be hard headed when it comes to certain things (vicky can testify to that :), still workin on that) but i tend not to judge people because that's the last thing i want people to do to me. And quite frankly it's not my place...

What a world this would be if we could get the rest of the world to think like these last few posts.

Maybe 1 day.

Omar as I said before your sophia is way up there.