LOL, you gatte break that down Vicki...few online readers know my wife's name is Ali, they look at "sophia" and will read "Sophia." You know how some Bahamians is go...

What a world this would be if we could get the rest of the world to think like these last few posts.


am i among the lucky few? :)

LOL, you gatte break that down Vicki...few online readers know my wife's name is Ali, they look at "sophia" and will read "Sophia." You know how some Bahamians is go...


Ok Omar
For all you that don't know sophia is the ancient Greek word for feminine wisdom. I know some of you are going to say "no it meansr wisdom" because if you even begin to think it means feminine wisdom you have to re-think your definition of a male god. You see every place in the Bible where you see the word wisdom know this, It is translated from sophia.

am i among the lucky few? :)

I am lost??

you said something along the lines of the world should think like the last set of posts, and i asked if i was included among those that posted. But it was written more as a joke, you could say :)

you said something along the lines of the world should think like the last set of posts, and i asked if i was included among those that posted. But it was written more as a joke, you could say :)

It did include you unless you are saying something different than what I read.

ya know i could have reasoned with vicky....
even with her "to me" confusion..
she at least wasnt arrogant!

but to parietal...
you should be bloody well ashamed to even class the civil rights stuggle of the black man, "to gay rights"
that is offensive, and putrid...
to demean and bellitle the strugle of human dignity, and set it aside the sexual lust of a man...and then call it human rights!

i usually dont read the long diatribes,(becasue i honestly beleive the longer it is the more mistakes and mistatements it carries, along with the obvious self bloviating rhetoric, with hardly anything substantial other than hearing your self speak, or watching yourself type for that matter, and prefer not to waste my time on it) but i happened to be in that reading mood and caught that hopefully honest mistake!

ya know i could have reasoned with vicky....
even with her "to me" confusion..
she at least wasnt arrogant!

but to parietal...
you should be bloody well ashamed to even class the civil rights stuggle of the black man, "to gay rights"
that is offensive, and putrid...
to demean and bellitle the strugle of human dignity, and set it aside the sexual lust of a man...and then call it human rights!

I see a gay human is different than a black human. So what happens when they are a gay black human, Aren't they all human :uh: take a look at what you are saying. Just because someone is not visualy different does not make them any less different.
That’s right a gay bashing is different from a lynching. They are both just as dead and that’s wrong wrong. A gay person cannot change being gay any better that a black person can become white. (Except Michael Jackson he is the only poor black boy who grew up to become a rich white woman. Just a joke I heard sorry if it offends anyone, not meant to)
http://www.hatecrime.org/index.html
You see yk2bad you are saying love is lust. Heterosexual males lust just as much as a homosexual. A homosexual loves just as much as a heterosexual.
Lust and love are 2 very different things and males and females are capable of both.
What you are saying is you are free to make a choice and live freely and openly and happy as long as its a choice you approve of, A heterosexual choice. Any other you are free to choose it but you must live with the consequences of that choice. Such as discrimanation and hate crimes.

i usually dont read the long diatribes,(becasue i honestly beleive the longer it is the more mistakes and mistatements it carries, along with the obvious self bloviating rhetoric, with hardly anything substantial other than hearing your self speak, or watching yourself type for that matter, and prefer not to waste my time on it) but i happened to be in that reading mood and caught that hopefully honest mistake!

but to parietal...
you should be bloody well ashamed to even class the civil rights stuggle of the black man, "to gay rights"
that is offensive, and putrid...
to demean and bellitle the strugle of human dignity, and set it aside the sexual lust of a man...and then call it human rights!


You should read more son, t'would serve you well. Let's try this here Bible. Humans have no dignity since the Sin of Eden, all, (lemme repeat that in case you miss that episode of Sesame Street where they teach you to understand and spell "all") ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and if our righteousness be as filthy rags, where is the dignity in filthy rags?

This remains obvious to me: In that post you've more or less said that, 'gay people aren't human beings.' Therefore, this "Human Dignity" you speak of is Pride...and in case you is one a dem who believe in it...it een the good kind neither.
"Sexual lust" is based on personal aesthetic and the relationship of it toward an otherwise would-be self-contained entity. So in essence you only lust after something that satiates your "self", which is also, my friend... Pride.

And speaking about ashamed, if I were you, I would keep my mouth closed...
I will not take counsel from someone who cannot at the very least defend their faith.

http://bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=200&page=8&pp=15

Post #112 belongs to you, I am sure of it. I can tell by its elementary-level answer.

You should read more son, t'would serve you well. Let's try this here Bible. Humans have no dignity since the Sin of Eden, all, (lemme repeat that in case you miss that episode of Sesame Street where they teach you to understand and spell "all") ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and if our righteousness be as filthy rags, where is the dignity in filthy rags?
we are long since passed this..once again you have jumped into the side of the conversation which we have finished a very long time ago....we know where we are, you are still trying to find your way, and if you ask vicky she will tell you. i thinks you are the one who should keep his mouth closed, on this paticular side of the topic...cause really and truly where vick and i are, have nothing to do witha johny come lately...not saying your comments arent valued, but completely out of context to the level of conversation we have evolved into!

This remains obvious to me: In that post you've more or less said that, 'gay people aren't human beings.' Therefore, this "Human Dignity" you speak of is Pride...and in case you is one a dem who believe in it...it een the good kind neither.
dont ASSume friend....there is no more or less, if you feel insulted by it, and by words that were never even said, then you are either stupid, or trying to spin a lie....you are trying to speak like an intelect, but are always losing the crowd..not becasue you are deep and thought provoking, but becasue you are vague, to say the least....alls i can say, you clearly arent here in the level at which vicky and i have clearly taken our debate!
IF YOU DONT KNOW NOTHIN...DONT LOOK STUPID TRYING TO ACT LIKE YOU KNOW SOMTHIN!
"Sexual lust" is based on personal aesthetic and the relationship of it toward an otherwise would-be self-contained entity. So in essence you only lust after something that satiates your "self", which is also, my friend... Pride.
:dgi: ...last time i checked human sexuality was mostly lust...sexual lust if you want it blatantly clear, and human lust should almost always never be given into!

And speaking about ashamed, if I were you, I would keep my mouth closed...
I will not take counsel from someone who cannot at the very least defend their faith.
listen...the faith needs no defending from me, or anyone first of all!
the faith as you should know it stands for itself....
i claim also not to be a rhode scholar or an oxford grad, although i would like to be....and i feel that i have enough to hold a sensible conversation with a person on human social living if i wanted..after all i am a sociologist.
furthermore...the faith need no defending on this matter...
the last thing i am trying to defend is the faith...i have no problem with the faith on this matter, what i have been saying.."AND WHAT YOU SO CONVIENIENTLY MISS"...is that the majority should not have to bend to the whim of the chosen minority...whether you like it or not it is true....and it keeps the peace!
give to ceasar my friend...if you want a quote from faith

http://bahamasissues.com/showthread.php?t=200&page=8&pp=15[/url]

Post #112 belongs to you, I am sure of it. I can tell by its elementary-level answer.

first of all you spin doctor....
you bring a post form another topic for validity?
and secondly it has nothing to do with this topic at all!
third, it was a bold statement after pages of debate!
fourth, if you follow the train of thought you could have seen it was abstract by intention!
ttcchhhh...you dont suprise me at all, when we dont have ideas, or thoughts, or when they are to confused to make a strong stand, we tear away at the people and things that appear to be strong!
i know you are confused son...just sit back and watch for a while, before you let your racing mind wander away from you!
:driving:

I see a gay human is different than a black human. So what happens when they are a gay black human, Aren't they all human :uh: take a look at what you are saying. Just because someone is not visualy different does not make them any less different.
and what about a gay black man...it has no bearing, civil rights for any human does not equate to sexual want!
and i have said that to soem extent common law persons should be allowed certain benefits....but to change laws and human constitution becasue some one wants to be mentally clear or free to have sex is wrong vicky...my god think of something else other than you just wanting to be with your lover man!
the difference in the stuggles is...
1 being gay is a chosen lifestyle
2 i have no choice in being black
That’s right a gay bashing is different from a lynching. They are both just as dead and that’s wrong wrong. A gay person cannot change being gay any better that a black person can become white. (Except Michael Jackson he is the only poor black boy who grew up to become a rich white woman. Just a joke I heard sorry if it offends anyone, not meant to)
http://www.hatecrime.org/index.html
bashing anyone is wrong....and there has been laws to protect all individuals, including rapists and murderers from retribution!
but you are asking to change something that doesnt involve personal injury.
and are asking to change the behavior of a society which for one...isnt wanting for...two...doesnt feel the need to be wanting for...three....for which people naturaly wont have the propensity for....
the thing is no one knows exactly what you people really want!
You see yk2bad you are saying love is lust. Heterosexual males lust just as much as a homosexual. A homosexual loves just as much as a heterosexual.
Lust and love are 2 very different things and males and females are capable of both.
love and lust are different...
and once again you are asking the society to write you a blank cheque for condoning your behavior!
we just cant do that...im sorry vic!
What you are saying is you are free to make a choice and live freely and openly and happy as long as its a choice you approve of, A heterosexual choice. Any other you are free to choose it but you must live with the consequences of that choice. Such as discrimanation and hate crimes.

heterosexuals live with the consequences of their actions...
we dont have to blast it out on the streets who we are sleeping with and for how long and why!
live with it vicky....
i never get all bent out of shape for who i sleep with....
i take my choices and consequences quite easily!
it is not discrimination..what you have to realize that it is not an issue..to otehr people...for all the reasons above!
sleep with who you want....but when you get roadblocks..you get roadblocks!
NO ONE CARES VIC...really we dont, we just wont let you polute and tiwts us around to bend issues for and to your favor!
and perish the thought of you having more equality anyone else!
:cheers:

and what about a gay black man...it has no bearing, civil rights for any human does not equate to sexual want!
and i have said that to soem extent common law persons should be allowed certain benefits....but to change laws and human constitution becasue some one wants to be mentally clear or free to have sex is wrong vickyIt is not against the law in the Bahamas for adults to have sex with whom they choose...my god think of something else other than you just wanting to be with your lover man!

yk2bad get it in your head I have no sexual interest in men. I am a transgendered male to female in love with my wife. I have never had an interest in men. I am a lesbian with male plumbing. Try and grasp that if you can.
the difference in the stuggles is...
1 being gay is a chosen lifestyle I never chose to be transgendered. I had to learn how to pretend I was a normal boy.
2 i have no choice in being black
Just because the difference is not visible it makes it a choice. Would someone choose to be a manic depressive. Yet they look normal (so called).
bashing anyone is wrong....and there has been laws to protect all individuals, including rapists and murderers from retribution!
but you are asking to change something that doesnt involve personal injury.
and are asking to change the behavior of a society which for one...isnt wanting for...two...doesnt feel the need to be wanting for...three....for which people naturaly wont have the propensity for....
so you say. You have to understand Bahamians are now exposed to other cultures via travel, internet, and cable/satellite TV Every GLBT has a mom and Dad some have brothers sisters aunts uncles cousins. Many of them are starting to understand that its not a choice many have gone to pflag meetings in the US There are more people aware of GLBT issues than you think. Its not just GLBTs them selves. I have parents wife children and other family and friends that understand the equality we ask for. Its not about sex. Do you care for your girl friend or wife just because of sex??? Is your love for her so shallow that if there came a time that she could not have sex you would love her less???the thing is no one knows exactly what you people really want!

love and lust are different...
and once again you are asking the society to write you a blank cheque for condoning your behavior! The Bahamas constitution guaranties freedom of expression. The cloths and or makeup we wear is self expresion I am free to dress as I please. If I go to the movies dolled up (which I have) there is nothing anyone can do. If I go to dinner with my wife and I am dolled up (which I have) there is nothing anyone can do.
we just cant do that...im sorry vic!

heterosexuals live with the consequences of their actions...
we dont have to blast it out on the streets who we are sleeping with and for how long and why!
GLBT do it less than heterosexuals. How many times do you introduce your girlfriend/wife? How many times do you put your arm around her? How many times do you hold her hand?? How many times do you see wedding anouncemtnts. What is a wedding but a couple announcing their union.
live with it vicky....

Its coming yk2bad live with it.....
i never get all bent out of shape for who i sleep with....
i take my choices and consequences quite easily!
it is not discrimination..what you have to realize that it is not an issue..to otehr people...for all the reasons above!
sleep with who you want....but when you get roadblocks..you get roadblocks!
NO ONE CARES VIC...really we dont, we just wont let you polute and tiwts us around to bend issues for and to your favor! If you don't care why are you so against it. The point is you are afraid. Afraid of change. But its coming if you like it or not and If you have a problem with that then that is your problem not mine. :cutie:
and perish the thought of you having more equality anyone else!
:cheers:

it all hinges on homosexuality being a chosen lifestyle!
like how you said it...you are in a marriage with your wife!
you chose not to be "deviant" (so to speak)....
fine and dandy!
what you claim to be sound like something for springer..
and now i have a hard time trying to firgure out of you are ****tin me or not!
:liar: :what:



:D

it all hinges on homosexuality being a chosen lifestyle!
like how you said it...you are in a marriage with your wife!
you chose not to be "deviant" (so to speak)....
fine and dandy!
what you claim to be sound like something for springer..
and now i have a hard time trying to firgure out of you are ****tin me or not!
:liar: :what:



:D


Is there anyone here who knows my wife and I please post and say I am not ****tin anyone.

it all hinges on homosexuality being a chosen lifestyle!
like how you said it...you are in a marriage with your wife!
you chose not to be "deviant" (so to speak)....
fine and dandy!
what you claim to be sound like something for springer..
and now i have a hard time trying to firgure out of you are ****tin me or not!
:liar: :what:



:D

You mean it all hinges on heterosexuality being a chosen life style. Because if one can choose to be homosexual than one can choose not to be.

]yk2bad what day did you choose to be heterosexual????