Is there anyone here who knows my wife and I please post and say I am not ****tin anyone.

I'll vouch for you!

To anyone who may be interested, I have been to some of the meetings of the Rainbow Alliance. Good people! Genuine people. No one there is talking out of their hats! They strongly believe what they believe.

You mean it all hinges on heterosexuality being a chosen life style. Because if one can choose to be homosexual than one can choose not to be.

]yk2bad what day did you choose to be heterosexual????


exactly my point vic!
exactly!

I'll vouch for you!

To anyone who may be interested, I have been to some of the meetings of the Rainbow Alliance. Good people! Genuine people. No one there is talking out of their hats! They strongly believe what they believe.


fine and good cg...
all fine and gravy..
but the last time i checked, they can ahve that kind of society in the bahamas and have the right not to be pressured or messed with!

do it...over there....and we will do things the way we want...over here!
i cant say it enough!
no one wants to stop you vic, we just dont want what you want to do to stop us!

we are long since passed this..once again you have jumped into the side of the conversation which we have finished a very long time ago....we know where we are, you are still trying to find your way, and if you ask vicky she will tell you. i thinks you are the one who should keep his mouth closed, on this paticular side of the topic...cause really and truly where vick and i are, have nothing to do witha johny come lately...not saying your comments arent valued, but completely out of context to the level of conversation we have evolved into!

Son, I don't concern myself to much with what time or what LEVEL you think you at in any part of your life. You believe you "come so" and the fact remains, that holier-than-thou seperatist attitude comes in loud and clear through the words you type. The words I've typed and the concept they convey are timeless, but only an elitist with his head too far up in himself would miss that.


dont ASSume friend....there is no more or less, if you feel insulted by it, and by words that were never even said, then you are either stupid, or trying to spin a lie....you are trying to speak like an intelect, but are always losing the crowd..not becasue you are deep and thought provoking, but becasue you are vague, to say the least....alls i can say, you clearly arent here in the level at which vicky and i have clearly taken our debate!
IF YOU DONT KNOW NOTHIN...DONT LOOK STUPID TRYING TO ACT LIKE YOU KNOW SOMTHIN!

The word you are looking for is "intellectual." I now question your knowledge and your ability to retain it. You forget, I came here from Bahamascope.net where your immaturity is even more so evident with the greater quantity of posts you have there. I left there to find viable conversation, not fans - so crowds and the like I leave up to those such as yourself.
The proof is in how few threads I've posted since I've joined in July 2003 (22 or thereabouts) compared to your 365 since following in Sep 2003. Think of it as Thought Investment/Word Economy, when I am moved to speak I am deeply and sincerely moved.
I have a point of view, a very ardent one and I've every right to voice it and the responsibility to be consistent in doing so in such a manner that provokes questions that can be discussed, not dodged as if caught up in a Matrix of logic and reason to fast for me as you've done in MANY threads.

Furthermore, if I am vague to you and yet you are not to me...it can also be argued that it's not my level of understanding which is lacking but yours, especially since Vicki understands me just fine. And as I've said in another thread, sometimes it's not only the words you produce, but also the consideration found lacking in your posts. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who saw the underlying principle held in that post.
The 'right to be gay' is a right that a civilian who is gay has afforded to them. Therefore it is a civil right.
"...you should be bloody well ashamed to even class the civil rights stuggle of the black man, 'to gay rights.' "
Hmm, come to think of it, I probably should be ashamed...gay people have been stoned, killed and ostracized for a WHOLE lot longer than "black" people have been enslaved.


...last time i checked human sexuality was mostly lust...sexual lust if you want it blatantly clear, and human lust should almost always never be given into!

Really? "Almost always?" Well, when you have the time...because I don't want to pull you away from your apparently exclusive and PRIVATE missives on a PUBLIC thread of debate... please give me some conditions where a human should give into their respective lusts. God forbid, I wouldn't want you to take my posting my viewpoints as usurping this "monoply" you have over commentary with Vicki.


listen...the faith needs no defending from me, or anyone first of all!
the faith as you should know it stands for itself....
i claim also not to be a rhode scholar or an oxford grad, although i would like to be....and i feel that i have enough to hold a sensible conversation with a person on human social living if i wanted..after all i am a sociologist.
furthermore...the faith need no defending on this matter...
the last thing i am trying to defend is the faith...i have no problem with the faith on this matter

I didn't say "the" faith, I said "their" faith- "their" would mean you in that context.

what i have been saying.."AND WHAT YOU SO CONVIENIENTLY MISS"...is that the majority should not have to bend to the whim of the chosen minority...whether you like it or not it is true....and it keeps the peace!
give to ceasar my friend...if you want a quote from faith

I have a bookfulls of quotes from Christianity and Judaism, I need none from you. Because by your conjecture: humans then, should not have to bend to The Messiah ("The Chosen Minority") "...whether I like it or not it is true....and it keeps the peace!"
By your logic, Christ's commission to His disciples to wash each other's dirty 'feet' or to go out into the world should not be bent to or harkened unto.
To "Caesar", I would give the gift of understanding...but it is my faith that in this case that "Caesar" wouldn't know what understanding was even if it were currency or if it were patient with him. So to Caesar, from now on, I give the Ignore Option in my User CP.

[/quote]"first of all you spin doctor....
you bring a post form another topic for validity?"[/quote]

Yes, see EVERYTHING changes when people start using the word "SHOULD", go over all your posts and count how many times you've said that word. "Should" indicates romanticism. What ideal do you speak from when you use this word "should" when it pertains to reality?

"...and secondly it has nothing to do with this topic at all!"

It does. Very much so. Look under the banner at the top of this page and tell me whether or not it says these words, " Bahamas Issues Bahamian Web Community Bahamas Issues Bahamas Church Issues Homosexual Marriage."
That's what we are to discuss here, those words give us parameters and contexts within which we discuss. I trusted in surety that posting a link to YOUR comment from a thread entitled "The Existence of God" displaying your "bold statement after pages of debate" was not out of context as it revealed the basis of your ideals.
If you are offended because you now own yourself a hypocrite, come to terms with it quickly, overcome the challenge you represent to yourself and/or see a therapist.

"...fourth, if you follow the train of thought you could have seen it was abstract by intention!"

You are not speaking from an abstract point of view, in that thread or in this one. You made a "bold statement" in that thread and you said "should" in this thread - you are speaking ideally.

"ttcchhhh...you dont suprise me at all, when we dont have ideas, or thoughts, or when they are to confused to make a strong stand, we tear away at the people and things that appear to be strong!"

So much for abstract and objective. Not always so. Pray tell, would your one-dimensional mind be able to recall what the cause of YAHWEH's reaction of sending a 40-day/40-night flood was?

"i know you are confused son...just sit back and watch for a while, before you let your racing mind wander away from you!"

My racing mind? My boy, you have NO idea. Jeremiah 12: 5

exactly my point vic!
exactly!

You did not answer my question.
again you avoid the question.

fine and good cg...
all fine and gravy..
but the last time i checked, they can ahve that kind of society in the bahamas and have the right not to be pressured or messed with!

do it...over there....and we will do things the way we want...over here!
i cant say it enough!
no one wants to stop you vic, we just dont want what you want to do to stop us!

What do we want to do to stop you ????????????????????????????????????????

Thanks CG for setting yk2bad straight on what I am and the alliance.

Omar I say tusha (spelling may be waring)
I don't like degrading people because I don't want anyone to do it to me. Now if you were just trying to help yk2bad understand the hypocrisy of his position but not meaning to degrade him then the tusha stands. But if you were trying to degrade him as a person, well I just don't know what to say.

I understand for him the world is flat and he can't see past the end of his knows. But there humans like that in this world and they have that right. Thank the Creator they are a minority. The only thing we can do is keep trying to help them understand. May be in this dialog with yk2bad, others are starting to think out side of the box and they are becoming more open minded.
They ignore our question because they know if they answer it, it makes the hypocrisy of their faith/postion evident to all.

As a person yet quickened Mr. yk2bad has the capacity to evolve. I was not TRYING to show him the hypocrisy in his posts. I showed it to him, this does not affect his person, only his pride. If he is so wrapped up in his pride to the point where his smarting pride hurts his person when I show him his contradictions and inconsistencies, then the touche stands and he still needs to come to terms with said issue, overcome his challenges and/or see a therapist.

If asking him to remove the beam from his eye before pointing at whatever's in mine or yours is degrading him- the touche stands and I will continue to call him a "holier-than-thou seperatist with his head too far up in his self" because a spade is a spade.

I am not intelligence incarnate, but I will not allow my point of view to be distorted or swallowed up by post after post of the Emperor and his new clothes.
He insults my intelligence and finds it wanting in me, fine! So I simply showed him how he's insulted his own commentary. He's done this before: he'll continue to do it again. But he'll do it without my fuel- he is on Ignore, I've paid Caesar what I owe him. He is naked. Touche, you say...but "Tooshie" is more like it.

there was no hypocrisy in points...
just you getting it wrong as usual....

if you speak for them than fine, i think people on the other side see it a bit different than you or vicky does.
whether it is to be liked by you or not!

my explanation was valid enough..before you and vic turned this into a spin zone...typical!
well, it always take one to stand in reason, so if you will continue to be selfishly blinded by your own passions, and intent then so be it.

put whatever it is to a refferendum, and see where it leads you....Period!
:o

"i still cant beleive you are bringing up points from another topic to validate yourself, how weak and pathetic parietal"
you apparently are too confused to be talked to!

at least some of us know where we stand and where we need to be....
just becasue you type long winded, and eloquently doesnt make you or anybody right, or in charge my friend!

Thanks CG for setting yk2bad straight on what I am and the alliance.

Omar I say tusha (spelling may be waring)
I don't like degrading people because I don't want anyone to do it to me. Now if you were just trying to help yk2bad understand the hypocrisy of his position but not meaning to degrade him then the tusha stands. But if you were trying to degrade him as a person, well I just don't know what to say.

I understand for him the world is flat and he can't see past the end of his knows. But there humans like that in this world and they have that right. Thank the Creator they are a minority. The only thing we can do is keep trying to help them understand. May be in this dialog with yk2bad, others are starting to think out side of the box and they are becoming more open minded.
They ignore our question because they know if they answer it, it makes the hypocrisy of their faith/postion evident to all.


i can naver understand it...
why when someone doesnt want to do things the way you want..
or do things the way you see fit...
they are blind and ignorant and stupid?

you in fact dont even know what you want from this society...
i know you dont!
the world being flat and homosexual relations are not opposing values, and til you see that then you will continue spinning the debate out of context, and in the meantime still not getting any face time to your cause..."eg we have been going on this topic for some time now and you still havent convinced me on what you want aside from the society to write you a blank cheque on social policies"...
we cant do that vic....and the society as a collective are too smart to give anyone a blank cheque to do as they see fit!
you see it as one that is not working, or ignorant...
but it produced you and many others...your side of the fence and not!
you see it as a broken down vessel....i see it as you saying that to prove your point!
and i see it as something that needs work, but need to be placed in the right direction!
you for whatever reason..."which i still cant see"..want revolution....
for what i ask.....
well...to restate it...there will be no blank cheque!
:cheers:

btw...
vic you see how pareital went off on his bloviating tyrade...and i stuck to what trhe facts are!
and that is...

1. he doesnt fully undertsnd what we are talking about since we talk on many different topics, and sometimes fuse both together...and have been doing so for quite some time. (and i know he hasnt been filled in properly)

2.he is clearly into hearing the sound of his fingers hit the key board, and it doesnt help me and it surely doesnt help the cause...for what ever it is you want vic, and if you dont know what you want...he sure as hell doesnt speak for what you want!

i knew someone would get hurt feelings, and it is usualy the ones who have more spirrit than sound reason...i told him the truth from where i see it, and he is more interested in crossing the t's and dotting the i's....typical.
he has no idea, and want to bandwagon on the the one that he feels is winning...and tear down anything else..."the human syndrome"

if he is staying then fine...his comments were appreciated, but out of diction to what you and i were talking about..and if he is to leave then fine too.,..he didnt understand what you or i was talking about anyways...
just interested "in my oppinion" hearing the sound of his fingers hit the keypad...seriously!
Cg, has to be the one with the most reason here, and he stayed out of it....
whether he had oppinions or not!
something is to be said about that!
:cool:

You did not answer my question.
again you avoid the question.


what question woman!
:dgi:

You mean it all hinges on heterosexuality being a chosen life style. Because if one can choose to be homosexual than one can choose not to be.

]yk2bad what day did you choose to be heterosexual????


the day i knew i was heterosexual was the day i knew i liked women...
there was no day...i just knew!

just like you knew the day you were a woman in a mans body...
but you decided live the life as a man...

question to you vic?
Does God make mistakes?
or do you beleive in A god?

Enjoy yourselves, I'll be out moving into our new apartment. Might be a while before I'm back on again. Take Care and Stay Safe all.

Enjoy yourselves, I'll be out moving into our new apartment. Might be a while before I'm back on again. Take Care and Stay Safe all.

Omar I will miss your input. :cutie: