Timeline: Christianity, Judaism, Islam

[islandgyal]

We all know that Buddhism preceded the three major world religions by thousands of years, but I am hoping that you can help me with this question: Did or did not Christianity and Islam evolve at the same time, courtesy of Abraham's sons Ishmael and Israel?

A Christian girlfriend and I are debating this, as she does not believe that Judaism, Christianity and Islam share the same God. I was under the impression that Christianity and Islam evolved from the same Hebrew branch.

Can you assist?

[k.o.o.l.b.o.n.z.e]

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[CG]

We all know that Buddhism preceded the three major world religions by thousands of years, but I am hoping that you can help me with this question: Did or did not Christianity and Islam evolve at the same time, courtesy of Abraham's sons Ishmael and Israel?

A Christian girlfriend and I are debating this, as she does not believe that Judaism, Christianity and Islam share the same God. I was under the impression that Christianity and Islam evolved from the same Hebrew branch.

Can you assist?

First of all, Buddhism is not quite thousands of years older than Christianity. The Buddha was born in the year 560 BC. That makes it 540 years older at best.

Islam began in Mecca about 610 A.D. Judaism? No one is quite sure when it began. Right now, the best guess is 3,000 years ago. However, it is not the oldest religion. That title goes to Hinduism at 5,000 years old. But, the Aborigines of Australia claim that their religious understanding (The Dreamtime) goes back 25,000 years. That might be a bit optimistic on their part, but there is no doubt that it is a very, very old system.

Islam and Christianity did not evolve at the same time. However, both can trace their beginnings back to Judaism. All three use the Bible, to a greater or lesser degree. They all worship the same God, he just has different names. The name "God" is a generic name for a supreme being, used by many religions.

[islandgyal]

Islam and Christianity did not evolve at the same time. However, both can trace their beginnings back to Judaism. All three use the Bible, to a greater or lesser degree. They all worship the same God, he just has different names. The name "God" is a generic name for a supreme being, used by many religions.

Thanks for the clarification, which is what I was looking for. [As for the Buddhist reference suggesting that that particular religion was thousands of years old, I just meant that the Therevada Buddhist tradition evolved out of Hinduism and India, from whence Siddartha hailed :o .]

[CG]

Islam and Christianity did not evolve at the same time. However, both can trace their beginnings back to Judaism. All three use the Bible, to a greater or lesser degree. They all worship the same God, he just has different names. The name "God" is a generic name for a supreme being, used by many religions.

Thanks for the clarification, which is what I was looking for. [As for the Buddhist reference suggesting that that particular religion was thousands of years old, I just meant that the Therevada Buddhist tradition evolved out of Hinduism and India, from whence Siddartha hailed :o .]

You know your stuff! Good for you. But Buddhist has many differences that are not to be found in Hinduism. Therefore it can be called a new religion, as Christianity is a new religion that sprang from Judaism.

[Alien]

yep...sidartha was talking to the waters and trees a very long time ago!!

but to reinforce what cg said...
there was judaism...then christianity...then islam!!!

but even before that...there was MAAT, it wasnt really a religion, but a way fo life, and they did beleive in a one true God.
"Amen-rah"...
which has a direct influnece on judaeism and christianty..
ever notice how after most prayers, judeaist and christians use the word Amen!!

it is a direct dirivative of the God of MAAT Amen-rah...i guess the jews picked it up in their stint in Egypt!
:cheers:

[CG]

yep...sidartha was talking to the waters and trees a very long time ago!!


So did Jesus. He cursed a fig tree and told the waves to "be still."

[Alien]

So did Jesus. He cursed a fig tree and told the waves to "be still."

dont get offended man..i was just making mention to that it was before jesus!!
man, you guys get soooo touchy!!
:bahamas:

[CG]

dont get offended man..i was just making mention to that it was before jesus!!
man, you guys get soooo touchy!!
:bahamas:

Not touchy at all. :)

Not offended. It was just that some people might have drawn the inference that The Buddha was silly in doing those things, which he never really did. He did walk on water but as for talking to trees? Can't remember that one.

[Alien]

Not touchy at all. :)

Not offended. It was just that some people might have drawn the inference that The Buddha was silly in doing those things, which he never really did. He did walk on water but as for talking to trees? Can't remember that one.

even though inadvertent...now you see how it feels when people spin what you say out of control!!
:dancer:

[CG]

even though inadvertent...now you see how it feels when people spin what you say out of control!!
:dancer:

First of all, as a Buddhist, I am used to people spinning what I say out of control. I think that the number of people who understand Buddhism, in the Bahamas, could be counted on one hand. When I encounter such people, I try to educate them - if they are willing to be educated. I do not see their comments as an attack, it is just that they don't know about Buddhism. Those who do attack only do so because they think there are defending their faith - they don't really know, they just think it is a good thing to do.

You are a Christian. I don't know what denomination, but I did I am sure that if I did that would explain many of your attacks. I know about Christianity - I taught it for years and went to a seminary. I still go to Church, from time to time, and have good friendships with Christians and their Pastors. I don't hate Christians! (I married one!) I just have some issues with some doctrines.

When I ask questions, I ask to stimulate thought - on my side as well as others. I often know the answers before there is a reply. But once and a while I am surprised by something seen from a fresh point. That is why I still post, to get those fresh views. How dull this site would be if we all agreed.

We are here to share ideas, to enjoy the back and forth of conversation (in this case, written.) We are here, I hope, to learn, to be ready to compromise, to share ideas about the issues of the day and to grow. However, there are some who's ideas are set in stone and they fight with every verbal weapon at their disposal to defend a what they don't really understand, they use a 1st Century doctrine to argue 21st Century issues. I fear that you fall into that department. However, if you are happy there, more power to you. But you're are missing out on the real wonders of life, as revealed to us through science and other religious views.

[Alien]

attacks????

i just found out you were bhudist????
:screw:
seriously...i thought you were just blowing smoke, and i get some of you confused sometimes!!

and take no offence..i attack all sides when i feel it is something wrong they are saying...call it fair and balanced!!!

use my words as a weapon......never was i soo flattered!!!
:D

tradition is to be built upon...not broken down!
and as a christian, some things are reflexive, but some things are just good habits my friend...and i choose to keep them!

i have probably read more about religious doctrine, and history than any average bahamian person you will ever meet!
im not a card waiving memeber of the christian council, or oprahs book of the month club, but i know what i see, and i know what history has taught us!

i applaud your change in ideology, but i personally never took my christianity that shallow.I always KNEW my pastor wasnt in charge, I KNEW deacon wasnt in charge, neither was the choir mistress...the words are what i looked studied, and their meaning at the time they were written!

and to be honest...you think im tough.....i am a mild version of the bahamian sentiment, i only voice what i hear from everyday citizens.
and dont EVER call them ignorant...beacause they ARE making it..some of them lawyers, doctors, floor sweepers, and bar maids....and they all have talents, and they all know what they want!

i think you miss my angle...
i like tradition, and i just explain tradition for the modern day and times...
somethings are just wrong..no matter if it is the 21st century...or the 1st century!
and if you hold any religion serious...even satanisnm...somethings are just wrong my friend, no matter how you cut the cake!

[CG]

and take no offence..i attack all sides when i feel it is something wrong they are saying...call it fair and balanced!!!
Why attack? Why not persuade?


use my words as a weapon......never was i soo flattered!!!
:D
Words as weapons! Easy to do! Particularly when they are ineffective


tradition is to be built upon...not broken down!
Tradition is to be improved upon.


and as a christian, some things are reflexive, but some things are just good habits my friend...and i choose to keep them!
OK but be sure you know the difference!


i have probably read more about religious doctrine, and history than any average bahamian person you will ever meet!
im not a card waiving memeber of the christian council, or oprahs book of the month club, but i know what i see, and i know what history has taught us!
So you say! But history has taught us that religion, unchecked leads to anarchy.


i applaud your change in ideology, but i personally never took my christianity that shallow.
First you applaud me then you insult me. Don't forget in Seminary we studied the faith in ways that are deeper that those of the man in the pew. Perhap, perhap, I might know sometings you do not? My field of study was far from shallow!


KNEW i always KNEW my pastor wasnt in charge, I KNEW deacon wasnt in charge, neither was the choir mistress...the words are what i looked studied, and their meaning at the time they were written!
How are you reading the words? Are you reading them as fact or metaphor?


and to be honest...you think im tough.....i am a mild version of the bahamian sentiment, i only voice what i hear from everyday citizens.
Could be. I have met some tough ones! (Or those who think they are!)


and dont EVER call them ignorant...beacause they ARE making it..some of them lawyers, doctors, floor sweepers, and bar maids....and they all have talents, and they all know what they want!
They know what they have been told to want!


i think you miss my angle...
i like tradition, and i just explain tradition for the modern day and times...
somethings are just wrong..no matter if it is the 21st century...or the 1st century!
and if you hold any religion serious...even satanisnm...somethings are just wrong my friend, no matter how you cut the cake!
But you do seem to be holding your religion, or your idea of it, seriously. But I tell you this, I would love to sit down and talk with you. I think we could have a h.... of a good conversation!

[Alien]

Why attack? Why not persuade?
attack, persuade..the lines are very slim in between , you use it yourself as a hiding place, from things that sound right, but different from what you taught yourself to be correct!



Words as weapons! Easy to do! Particularly when they are ineffective
well..to each his own, and like the pastor or the preacher man, my fault is not to save you, but to help you save yourself!
freedom is yours!


Tradition is to be improved upon.
that too..as well as preserved, uphelp, reviewed and remarked upon!



OK but be sure you know the difference!
my freind...the day i ask anyone to show me the difference i am lost, i have to know and feel the difference!
you shoudlnt depend on a religion or teahcer for your own development..they only can take you so far!


So you say! But history has taught us that religion, unchecked leads to anarchy.
nah...history has proven to me, that anarchy is mostly brought up from people who want to move away from tradition sooo badly, they will fight tooth and nail for it!




First you applaud me then you insult me. Don't forget in Seminary we studied the faith in ways that are deeper that those of the man in the pew. Perhap, perhap, I might know sometings you do not? My field of study was far from shallow!
i never insulted you...quote where i insulted you again....and i will prove to you, that spin is a dangerous thing!
and please dont accuse me of things i dont and will never do!
i appreciate your ideas, and angle, but i feel just as strong about mine as you do to yours...cant fault me for that!
and if you are offended becasue i am not the average lukewarm christian drone...them i am not sorry!



How are you reading the words? Are you reading them as fact or metaphor?
i read for understanding...take what you want to take from that!



They know what they have been told to want!
like i said...if you are a bahamian you are insulting yourself, the bahamian people have talent, they know what they want, and tyhey are smart enough to go and get it. we can be doing better, but on the whole we are doing fine!
dont stand there and insult them..its wrong and i take it personally!
that one for sure!




But you do seem to be holding your religion, or your idea of it, seriously. But I tell you this, I would love to sit down and talk with you. I think we could have a h.... of a good conversation!
maybe....or may turn out like the O'reilly/ micheal moore interview..which bombed!

to each his own....and once you are happy i am, and we are!

[CG]

attack, persuade..the lines are very slim in between , you use it yourself as a hiding place, from things that sound right, but different from what you taught yourself to be correct!!
Not at all. Attack is attack, persuade is persuading. By the way, who said I taught myself?

Hiding place? Things that sound right? I am just showing things as there are, from my perspective and learning. I have never hidden behind anything. It is Christendom that hides. It must! For once the truth is out it falls apart. It's logic, as taught too often today, cannot stand up to the light of day. It sees fact where there is none and has made of that great book, the Bible, a tool of oppression and damnation - for others, not itself. Sounds like and attack does not it? But I am just trying to persuade you that perhaps you might be reading it (the Bible) incorrectly. It is a book of mercy, not a whip. It is a tool to bring one to a Spiritual understanding. Not a tool to be used "against" those one disagrees with.


well..to each his own, and like the pastor or the preacher man, my fault is not to save you, but to help you save yourself!
freedom is yours!
Freedom I have!


that too..as well as preserved, uphelp, reviewed and remarked upon!
True, but in the Christian faith they are seldom improved.


my freind...the day i ask anyone to show me the difference i am lost, i have to know and feel the difference!
you shoudlnt depend on a religion or teahcer for your own development..they only can take you so far!!
So you are a law and wisdom all unto yourself?


nah...history has proven to me, that anarchy is mostly brought up from people who want to move away from tradition sooo badly, they will fight tooth and nail for it!!
What history books have you been reading? Most of history is peppered with the Christian view. And those who want to improved on tradition have to fight tooth and nail just to keep from being burned at the stake.


i never insulted you...quote where i insulted you again....and i will prove to you, that spin is a dangerous thing!
and please dont accuse me of things i dont and will never do!
i appreciate your ideas, and angle, but i feel just as strong about mine as you do to yours...cant fault me for that!
and if you are offended becasue i am not the average lukewarm christian drone...them i am not sorry!!
Your quote from the last posting "i applaud your change in ideology, but i personally never took my christianity that shallow." You implied that I took Christianity in a shallow manner.


i read for understanding...take what you want to take from that!!
So you don't know what metaphor is! I am sure you have time to look it up!


like i said...if you are a bahamian you are insulting yourself, the bahamian people have talent, they know what they want, and tyhey are smart enough to go and get it. we can be doing better, but on the whole we are doing fine!
dont stand there and insult them..its wrong and i take it personally!
that one for sure!!
How is what I said insulting to Bahamains? You said,"i am not the average lukewarm christian drone..." so you will admit that many are, even some Bahamians? Whom is insulting whom?


maybe....or may turn out like the O'reilly/ micheal moore interview..which bombed!!
Never saw it, but I'll bet O'Reilly won! He must have done if you think it boomed!


to each his own....and once you are happy i am, and we are!
So true! But it must be tiring fighting for God and rightness all the time. Take a rest. Things sort themselves out in time, with or without God(s).