During the first week of November 2002, I received an e-mail entitled "Revival is Here" and it went on to give "breaking news" about a revival. Naturally, I became excited because I had recently started (again) to pray for revival. I read on to see if there would be some mention of "the Signposts" of revival but did not see any. I will post the e-mail for you to see as an attachment to this thread. Well, the e-mail turned out to be a hoax or at best a strong desire. I shook my head.

This morning, November 14th, I heard a radio ad again announcing that revival is here and that there will be a revival motorcade this weekend, I believe leaving from the Sports Centre and driving through the streets of new Providence. I sadly shook my head in despair.

A little later, I drove past a building used for church meetings and I saw a big sign: Revival Is Here! I again sadly shook my head.

Why am I shaking my head? Is it because I'm nervous? Far from it. I shook my head because I think back on just the last 2 months. I began to make a list below of the kind of things that have taken place but it became depressing so I erased it.

The current state of affairs in homes, churches and our nation show dramatic signs that we are more under a curse than in a revival. Sounds dramatic? It might, but it is true. Just read the front page of this week's news papers. Yet there are those crying "revival" like the little boy who cried "wolf."

I have said that if this is God's blessing of revival, count me out because I would hate to see his judgement.

This nation has never experienced a revival, even though it has been prophesied by many over the years and is desired by God for us. However, it will not come by announcing it, sending out faxes, printing banners and having motorcades. I believe it will come and the first sign post is when church leaders repent and pray. Look at Joel's prophetic word:

Joel 2:17-18
Let the priests, who minister before the LORD,
weep between the temple porch and the altar.
Let them say, 'Spare your people, O LORD.
Do not make your inheritance an object of scorn,
a byword among the nations.
Why should they say among the peoples,
'Where is their God?''

18 Then the LORD will be jealous for his land
and take pity on his people.
NIV

Then God's people repent and pray. Then God will heal our land.

And friends, when revival comes, trust me we will not need to send out faxes, put up banners and have motorcades. Everyone will know revival is here. That's just the way revival is. So lets not be like the gullible town who ran after the little boy everytime he cried wolf. Let's instead run and lay on our faces before the Lord and repent and pray and ask God for revival clouds with rain in them!

Apostle Moss, your question is so appropriate...Is revival really here? My answer; NOT!!

As you indicated in your article, revival does not come from a mere proclamation or via a motorcade thru our streets but from the people turning their hearts back to God and from those of us who are Christians humbling ourselves and praying. I heard it put so accurately this week that if we are to experience a revival in our Country, we have to do some "blue collar" praying...get the picture? Ernest, fervent, sincere, travailing prayer. Think about it; "travail" - I hope I spelled it correctly - means to work in french. That's the type of prayer that will bring revival.

When revival is here, we will all know. No, not from a motorcade or from a famous prophet/ess but from the signs that will follow. For example, less crime, help for the orphans & widows and let's not forget, a united body of Christ. All proclaiming "Revival is Here!!" simultaneosly - because it truly is.

Mr. Moss I can't say that I know from scripture what signs would indicate that revival is here, but from my knowledge of the book of Acts I don't see any signs in this country.

One sad thing we have in the body of Christ is emotionalism. And unfortunately many leaders use it to keep the body hyped, I think "revival is here" is the latest upper for the church.

However, I personally believe that we are on the brink of revival.

Melanie:

I agree that we are on the brink of revival. One way that I know is that Ishmael always runs ahead of Isaac. The "revival" that is here is an Ishmael Revival. The one to come is Isaac; the revival that God Himself promised.

May we all fall on our faces like Nehemiah and Daniel and say WE and our forefathers have sinned!

:angel:

After reading your post in its entirety on Revival Is Here and on the issues of Church Exploitation Exposed I am convinced that you are a God-sent.

Apostle Moss you gave the biblical requirements and signs for REVIVAL; let me show everyone the OXFORD DICTIONARY'S definition:

1. Reviving, being revived.
2. Something brought back into use or fashion.
3. A reawakening of interest in religion
4. A special effort with meetings, etc to promote this.

So we see from the biblical that revival is coming and not here. From the natural account what is being revived, brought back into use or fashion, what is going to be reawakened at Clifford Park, we do realize that it will be a special meeting to promote something...but what.

I read with interest the article in the Nassau Guardian this morning. Bishops Neil nor Greene addressed the concerns put forward by Apostle Cedric Moss.

When we respond to letters or questions in the newspapers we must address the facts or the questions at hand.

If I am wrong I stand to be corrected. Apostle Cedric never said she (Bynum-Weeks) received $25,000 and $125,000 plus 50% of the offering on her previous visits. It was brought to his attention that due to prearranged agreements she was alleged to have received on two separate occasions the aforementioned sums. The prearranged agreement being 50% of the offerings received which amounted to the two mentioned sums of monies.

If I understand Apostle Cedric Moss clearly...he is trying to sensitize leaders to the cunning practice of some of "God's Preachers" of the day. I can speak on the subject because in my church we have gone through it and hence we are very much aware of how it is done.

Even now in most of the Full Gospel Churches of size the Bishops or Senior Pastor's do not receive salaries because if the congregations take up offerings every now (more now than again) and again they receive much more than if they were to take a regular salary. Hence we now have Church Celebrities, millionaires. Yes it is being done. No one is trying to say that men and women of God cannot have large homes, luxury cars, good salaries but should it be at the expense of SHEEP (unsuspecting congregations) who need financial training themselves.

So Bishop Neil relax you and I both know how the speakers go when they come in and what they require. Could you imaging preaching (which takes a lot of energy, and study time) for 2 - 3 hours and receiving $25, 000. You could very well take two engagements a month and chill for the rest of the year. The question is how come then you will not pay the Shirley Burrows', or the Clifford Smith's of the Bahamas that kind of money. Only the foreigners?

Another question Bishops Ellis and Greene had sufficient chance and time to respond to the much publicized letters sent to them months ago, why now? Additionally in what capacity is Bishop Greene appearing alongside Bishop Ellis. President of Christian Counsel or Bishop in the Full Gospel Association?

We thank God for the Religious Tourism. However, do not cloud the issue. Apostle Moss never said anything about not hosting meetings, seminars, conventions etc. The question was and still is “the rape of God’s people by foreigners wanting huge sums for preaching the free word of God.” Bishop Neil your motives must be clear...watch out God is the Big Gun not you.

The question still is Bishops Ellis and Green what is the amount of monies being given to Mrs. Bynum-Weeks? You did not touch it in your article today. Remember the Bahamian people are wiser now.

Many innuendoes are flying around concerning the meetings. The Bahamian people (including church leaders) will be shocked when the bleacher are erected for the "REVIVAL" meetings, the government is silent on the school being let out early issue as well, Why? Nikki Kelley asked our Prime are you a Politician or Preacher? The Bahamian people need answers.

AS THE APOSTLE SAID ON ISSUES OF THE DAY THIS MORNING; REVIVAL IS NOT HERE THERE IS A SHAKING GOING ON AND THEN AFTER THE SHAKING THE REVIVAL WILL COME AND THE MASSES WILL KNOW BY THE SPIRIT NOT BY PROCLAMATION.

Mr. Moss 'get a life man' .Its time to move on.Could you please inquire "Is there A word from the LORD" and then declare it to the Nation.

Thank you sir.

Mr. Moss 'get a life man' .Its time to move on.Could you please inquire "Is there A word from the LORD" and then declare it to the Nation.

Thank you sir.

Hallelujah my brother. Can I get an AMEN!?!

Hallelujah my brother. Can I get an AMEN!?!


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Mr. Moss 'get a life man' .Its time to move on.Could you please inquire "Is there A word from the LORD" and then declare it to the Nation.

Thank you sir.


Is this a stray reply? I just got the notification on 30.01.2005. I thought this thread was finished, considering that the event is finished and the results are now clear for all who could not at the time see it (or were in denial): no revival was here. They had an emotional crusade led by a popular motivational speaker, Dr. Juanita Bynum. In spite of my warnings, many pastors (and politicians) blindly followed and attended the event at which poor people were still fleeced of their money before their eyes and Dr. Juanita Bynum walked away with a "love offering" of $30,000 (according to Bishop Neil Ellis).

Rapo, its easy for cowards like you to write ridiculous things on this site and hide behind a mask so that people don't know who you are. Why don't you try to muster up enough courage to put your real name at the end of your comments and tell us about your life so that we can see that you indeed have one. However, in my view, you and others like you hint to the fact that you don't have one because my experience is that people who have a life don't hide behind assumed names and make anonymous crude remarks that they don't have the courage to make openly.

And I won't hold my breath waiting to see your real name because cowards don't change easily.

During the first week of November 2002, I received an e-mail entitled "Revival is Here" and it went on to give "breaking news" about a revival. Naturally, I became excited because I had recently started (again) to pray for revival. I read on to see if there would be some mention of "the Signposts" of revival but did not see any. I will post the e-mail for you to see as an attachment to this thread. Well, the e-mail turned out to be a hoax or at best a strong desire. I shook my head.

This morning, November 14th, I heard a radio ad again announcing that revival is here and that there will be a revival motorcade this weekend, I believe leaving from the Sports Centre and driving through the streets of new Providence. I sadly shook my head in despair.

A little later, I drove past a building used for church meetings and I saw a big sign: Revival Is Here! I again sadly shook my head.

Why am I shaking my head? Is it because I'm nervous? Far from it. I shook my head because I think back on just the last 2 months. I began to make a list below of the kind of things that have taken place but it became depressing so I erased it.

The current state of affairs in homes, churches and our nation show dramatic signs that we are more under a curse than in a revival. Sounds dramatic? It might, but it is true. Just read the front page of this week's news papers. Yet there are those crying "revival" like the little boy who cried "wolf."

I have said that if this is God's blessing of revival, count me out because I would hate to see his judgement.

This nation has never experienced a revival, even though it has been prophesied by many over the years and is desired by God for us. However, it will not come by announcing it, sending out faxes, printing banners and having motorcades. I believe it will come and the first sign post is when church leaders repent and pray. Look at Joel's prophetic word:

Joel 2:17-18
Let the priests, who minister before the LORD,
weep between the temple porch and the altar.
Let them say, 'Spare your people, O LORD.
Do not make your inheritance an object of scorn,
a byword among the nations.
Why should they say among the peoples,
'Where is their God?''

18 Then the LORD will be jealous for his land
and take pity on his people.
NIV

Then God's people repent and pray. Then God will heal our land.

And friends, when revival comes, trust me we will not need to send out faxes, put up banners and have motorcades. Everyone will know revival is here. That's just the way revival is. So lets not be like the gullible town who ran after the little boy everytime he cried wolf. Let's instead run and lay on our faces before the Lord and repent and pray and ask God for revival clouds with rain in them!

Hi Cedric I feel when the revival comes you will not see it, even if it came yesterday. Just as the religious leaders in Christ’s time could not see the Messiah because he did not come the way they thought he should come they did not accept him. They wanted a king but he came as a carpenter. The Creator appoints and man is disappointed.
You will not accept the revival because it will not be the result you and other Christian leaders want it to be. Why because if people follow the teaching of Christ the man who walked the earth there will be no need for preachers. Thus preachers will have no power and no money.

Is this a stray reply? I just got the notification on 30.01.2005. I thought this thread was finished, considering that the event is finished and the results are now clear for all who could not at the time see it (or were in denial): no revival was here. They had an emotional crusade led by a popular motivational speaker, Dr. Juanita Bynum. In spite of my warnings, many pastors (and politicians) blindly followed and attended the event at which poor people were still fleeced of their money before their eyesAs do most preachers/church's and Dr. Juanita Bynum walked away with a "love offering" of $30,000 (according to Bishop Neil Ellis).That's because Neil Ellis did not get the $30,000. Its about the money. Its not a problem 1 day the greedy preachers will be seperated from the money and wealth they obtained using Christ and the Creator.

Rapo, its easy for cowards like you to write ridiculous things on this site and hide behind a mask so that people don't know who you are. Why don't you try to muster up enough courage to put your real name at the end of your comments and tell us about your life so that we can see that you indeed have one. However, in my view, you and others like you hint to the fact that you don't have one because my experience is that people who have a life don't hide behind assumed names and make anonymous crude remarks that they don't have the courage to make openly. Typical arrogant preacher, insult some one who challenges you. I wonder how Christ would have responded to Rapo.

And I won't hold my breath waiting to see your real name because cowards don't change easily.

Vicky:

Though I was responding to Rapo, please know that I did not intend to come across as arrogant. Arrogance is character trait that I do my best to avoid so I appreciate you giving me your perception of my remarks...I will try harder to choose my words to avoid the perception of arrogance.

However, I stand my the contents of my comments. I find that people are far more objective and courteous in their comments when they do not hide behind an assumed name.

Regarding your comments about who will see revival when it comes, I'm amazed that you quickly call me arrogant and overlook your own arrogance in your remarks. I'm reminded of the words of Jesus when he addressed hypocrites who try to take the speck out of their brother's eyes while ignoring the log in their own eyes.

As to your other comments, I honestly don't follow the points you are seeking to make so I have not reponded to them.

rapo needs to get a life, this post was from 2 years ago .. 1 word - troll...

Vicky:

Though I was responding to Rapo, please know that I did not intend to come across as arrogant. Arrogance is character trait that I do my best to avoid so I appreciate you giving me your perception of my remarks...I will try harder to choose my words to avoid the perception of arrogance.
You called Rapo a coward without even knowing him. You who is supposed to be walking in Christ foot steps should have said Rapo let talk about what you have said.
However, I stand my the contents of my comments. I find that people are far more objective and courteous in their comments when they do not hide behind an assumed name. I find that someone who hides behind an assumed name says what needs to be said.

Regarding your comments about who will see revival when it comes, I'm amazed that you quickly call me arrogant I have re read both my posts and I do not (edited feb 2) see where I used arrograt in discusing the revival. Please point it out for me.. and overlook your own arrogance in your remarks. I'm reminded of the words of Jesus when he addressed hypocrites who try to take the speck out of their brother's eyes while ignoring the log in their own eyes.
Hope you remember this each and every time you are telling/suggesting to someone to live by rules in the Bible when you your seld do not live by all the rules of the Bible.
As to your other comments, I honestly don't follow the points you are seeking to make so I have not reponded to them.

excuses excueses Pick out what you don't understnad and repost it so I can help you understand.

Mr .Moss,I have watch and listened to you for along time now and from what I can see it appears if you are an angry man.I don't feel the right vibe from you as a man of God.That is why I asked you to inquire 'is there a word from the Lord" and declare it. If you want to be a Prophet to this Nation ,tell us something you hear the Lord saying to you to the Nation.
I am not hiding it my choice to remain anonymous,trust me am far from being a coward.