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AnarchyIsOrder 08-13-07, - 08:30 PM Ok, so the following e-mail was forwarded to me...
August 11, 2007
Dear Steve Hoffer/Sir Arthur Foulkes/His Excellency Basil O'Brien/US Embassy/Royal Bahamian Police force:
On Friday at 1PM (August 10, 2007) two armed black men with guns attempted to push through my front door at my home here in Sandyport.They parked a compact car in my driveway, and Sandyport Security let them in - but I've since learned there is no record of the "car". Unbelievable as this sounds.
I was gun whipped (in the head) in my driveway, after having one of the 160 pound thugs point a gun at my head, and I thought I was going to be murdered right then and there.
I reported this to the Royal Bahamian Police of Cable Beach that came to my home within 1/2 hour, and later to Garth Buckner at his office here in Sandyport Management.
I had $5,000 in cash stolen just 7 week previously. I believe this is "gang related.
**Lists name and number of policeman dealt with**
I now live in "fear" for myself and my family inside Sandyport "gated" community.
Please have someone contact me.
The girl at Princess's Margaret Hospital (Fe from the Philippines) who put the 30 stitches in my head said she thought Sandyport Security was involved and assisted the "thugs" that tried to rob me and "attempted murder" me.
See the letter to Garth Buckner that follows.
T***** A*****
** Sandyport Drive
Nassau
1 242 *** ****
I've lived in the Bahamas for 17 years.
There were photos attached showing the scars with stitches bloodied clothing, driveway, etc. Since this is quite public i'll leave them out.
Now, reading the e-mail first thing that jumped out at me was the way the guy mentioned the race of his attackers at every chance possible. The tone of the letter itself also seems to show some arrogance (IMHO).
Anyway, what do ya'll think?
EDIT: ok, now I figured out what bothered me when I read the thing the first time.
a.) The people addressed, first of all the US embassy being addressed is weird to me, should they investigate all of our crimes or only the ones against the wealthy white folk?
b.) The apparent disgust with the fact that this occurred in Sandyport rather then somewhere else , showing an assumption that crime's supposed to be everybody else's problem that we should just keep out of Sandyport, Lyford, etc.
c.) How did he figure out the guy's weight while being hit on the head???
d.) In order for crime to be "gang related" you have to be dealing with a gang in some way, right?
LL Cool G 08-13-07, - 08:36 PM Ok, so the following e-mail was forwarded to me...
There were photos attached showing the scars with stitches bloodied clothing, driveway, etc. Since this is quite public i'll leave them out.
Now, reading the e-mail first thing that jumped out at me was the way the guy mentioned the race of his attackers at every chance possible. The tone of the letter itself also seems to show some arrogance (IMHO).
Anyway, what do ya'll think?
i only saw the mention of race once.
however, upon reading the email, i automatically concluded that the victim is a foreigner. reason being, when we report crimes to the police, we leave out 'black' in our description. we may try to describe the complexion....but we hardly ever state race/ethnicity.
to me, the writer is coming across as fed up....rather than arrogant.
but......that JMO!
AnarchyIsOrder 08-13-07, - 08:43 PM i only saw the mention of race once.
however, upon reading the email, i automatically concluded that the victim is a foreigner. reason being, when we report crimes to the police, we leave out 'black' in our description. we may try to describe the complexion....but we hardly ever state race/ethnicity.
to me, the writer is coming across as fed up....rather than arrogant.
but......that JMO!
what about what I have in my edit?
Yeah, it is once there is another e-mail under it to Garth Buckner that is pretty much the same but uses the word "black" describing the assailants a couple more time, i didn't post it here since it's the same thing.
Google has told me that this guy has written books and websites on Tax Havens and Offshore Banking, guess he didn't think people that know about taxes and deal with big money would be affected by the problems the rest of us are affected by.
I'm not sayign the guy deserved to be hit in the head, or that the act was justified - the fact that crime is bad doesn't need to be spoken.
a.) The people addressed, first of all the US embassy being addressed is weird to me, should they investigate all of our crimes or only the ones against the wealthy white folk?
Well, it is a good idea to report crimes to one's embassy. They can't do anything about it but at least they have a record of it.
b.) The apparent disgust with the fact that this occurred in Sandyport rather then somewhere else , showing an assumption that crime's supposed to be everybody else's problem that we should just keep out of Sandyport, Lyford, etc.
Sandyport is supposed to be guarded by Security. I would complain if the Security was "asleep at the switch."
c.) How did he figure out the guy's weight while being hit on the head???
I guess he guessed!
d.) In order for crime to be "gang related" you have to be dealing with a gang in some way, right?
Don't get how he jumped to that conclusion.
No doubt he was right royally p**ed of at what happen to him. I would be. How about you?
Teniel 08-13-07, - 08:59 PM A couple of things:
-If the assailants were indeed black, then there is nothing wrong with describing them as such.
-If he thinks white affluent communities were immune to crime then, he knows better now. Sometimes reality is a harsh experience.
-At least they didn't kill or molest him or anyone else in the house.
FACTS ONLY 08-13-07, - 09:00 PM Before I make my comments, are you black or white or whatever?
bahmaboy 08-13-07, - 09:01 PM to me the VICTIM is not coming across as arogant, he comes across as a angry victim.
he probably sent the letter to the us embassy becuase he may be an american and/or it was becuase he knows the us embassy is very interested in all crime that happens in the bahamas, especially nassau.
i dont think he is trying to say all crime needs to happen everywhere else. i think he is outraged that this happened to him in sandy port becuase the MAIN REASON PEOPLE BUY HOUSES THEIR IS FOR THE SECURITY.
the man is pissed becuase they pay thousands per year in HOA fee's and pay all that money to live their becuase there is a manned gate that all cars entering the community must pass through YET THE SECURITY DONT KNOW HOW THE CAR GOT IN?
you could understand if the was on foot, but there is no way robbers should be able to drive in a manned gated community
i would be pissed to and i think the writer is well with in his rights to vent and be pissed.
a.) The people addressed, first of all the US embassy being addressed is weird to me, should they investigate all of our crimes or only the ones against the wealthy white folk?
They may have been placed there by the US embassy housing dept, as is what happens when one works for them. However, since they mentioned being here 17 years, it may just be an American living here, and in that case they are simply informing their embassy; guess that is what they are suppose to do.
b.) The apparent disgust with the fact that this occurred in Sandyport rather then somewhere else , showing an assumption that crime's supposed to be everybody else's problem that we should just keep out of Sandyport, Lyford, etc.
I can understand their disgust at the Sandyport Security in this case (large monthly maintenance fees), but then this is nothing new. However the last time I was there the security was pretty tight, not sure how they got inside in this case, unless they gave the name of a person there and the security automatically let them in without checking with the person (or were involved).
c.) How did he figure out the guy's weight while being hit on the head???
No idea, perhaps just a rough guess.
d.) In order for crime to be "gang related" you have to be dealing with a gang in some way, right?
That is what I was thinking too, but perhaps they just meant gang like a group of organized thugs, and not a one off thing.
Lurker 08-13-07, - 09:27 PM They may have been placed there by the US embassy housing dept, as is what happens when one works for them. However, since they mentioned being here 17 years, it may just be an American living here, and in that case they are simply informing their embassy; guess that is what they are suppose to do.
Last year I thought that I would buy in Sandyport as an investment. Of the places that were for sale, half of them required 72 hours notice for viewing -- they were being rented to DEA agents.
Now, reading the e-mail first thing that jumped out at me was the way the guy mentioned the race of his attackers at every chance possible. The tone of the letter itself also seems to show some arrogance (IMHO).
Anyway, what do ya'll think?
Yes dont know why he mentioned their color, as he IS in the Bahamas, how many white Bahamians would do this ;) (sarcasm)
Nah, they could have been white too, we know not all white Bahamians are saints either .. least I know. But saying what color they were really did not need to be mentioned in this letter, only in a police report when describing the suspects; and would include color of clothing, type of car, etc. In other words their color does not matter to get the point across in this letter; so cant comment on why it was mentioned.
As to arrogant, he was attacked, he has every right to be arrogant or whatever, once he is not violent. I would be really pissed too!
chancellor 08-13-07, - 10:26 PM Last year I thought that I would buy in Sandyport as an investment. Of the places that were for sale, half of them required 72 hours notice for viewing -- they were being rented to DEA agents.
Personally i think Sandyport is a bunch of ugly overpriced compact houses. Some of them looks like the uprooted them from the inner city area and washed them.
Anyways a coworker got the same email a few hours ago and we saw the pics. I agree that security either had to be apart of the action, or was, and probably is very slack. I swear if you watch some of them you could see that someone could go in and make a sizable heist easily. It could be the police to. Sometimes people go on about what they have in their posession to police, blindly trusting some of these people. The next thing you know, you are struck again. I have not seen that personally, but I have listened to the stories around here.
Excalibur 08-14-07, - 12:18 AM For the life of me, I can’t see what is the big deal with colour here?
Calling a black person black is no issue man, Dang!
Excalibur 08-14-07, - 12:35 AM Before I make my comments, are you black or white or whatever?
????
Excalibur 08-14-07, - 12:38 AM But saying what color they were really did not need to be mentioned in this letter, only in a police report when describing the suspects; and would include color of clothing, type of car, etc. In other words their color does not matter to get the point across in this letter; so cant comment on why it was mentioned.
True!
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