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Originally Posted by bsmbahamas

Gambling is motivated by pure greed, and nothing more.


So is investing in a business. So is learning and becoming good at a trade/job. You do you best so you can earn more money so you can have a better life.

*gamling takes money from the rest of the gamblers, investments are based on well calculated odds, gambling is based on chance.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
All gamblers desire to get something for nothing.

That is not so they put their investment on the table like all the other gamblers.

*their wager is not an investment

wager

1.
a. An agreement under which each bettor pledges a certain amount to the other depending on the outcome of an unsettled matter.
b. A matter bet on; a gamble.

2. Something staked on an uncertain outcome; a bet.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=wager

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investment(1)
1.Property acquired for the purpose of producing income for its owner. Just as plants and equipment are investments for manufacturers, stocks and bonds are investments for individuals.
2. Expenditures made for income-producing assets.

investment(2)
2 : the commitment of funds with a view to minimizing risk and safeguarding capital while earning a return

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=investment

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Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
They do not care how much they take from the other players.

You mean the other players don't care how much they are willing to loose.

You mean the glass is half full?
Oh ... i meant the glass was half empty!
:footmouth

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
And many times the other players are playing with 'scared money', i.e. money they can't afford to lose.

That is the player choice no matter how dumb it is.

*so let the dumb bastards lose everything, and then what?
depend on the government to hand them welfare?

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Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
As they lose more and more of their 'scared money' they get into trouble.

That is the player choice no matter how dumb it is

*again should the law makers that are responsible for the welfare of all, just let dumb people do what they want because it is their choice? - no matter how dumb it is.

also are you admitting that gambling is dumb - and still supporting it?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
They can't pay their bills, their children get sent to school with no lunch or no lunch money.

That is the player choice no matter how dumb it is.

*do you even know when to admit defeat?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
Meanwhile the winner is having a ball and proclaiming how great gambling is and how much they won. [QUOTE=bsmbahamas] If my investment on money and time paid off I waould proclaim how great it is as well.

[QUOTE=bsmbahamas]A week later that same person loses a heap of money to the other players and causes a lot of resentment among the gamblers. And of course the bills go unpaid again - which also causes lots of unesseccary anger and stress.


That is the player choice to go back no matter how dumb it is.

*sorta like a prostitute getting the crap beat out of her by one of her clients, and going right back and doing it again huh?

*what about educating these people that refuse to educate themselves, and not putting something into place that encourages them to act on their dumbness?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
Apart from winning every now and then, everything else about gambling is basically bad for the gamblers.

There are better ways to invest money - people can lend money to the government for development projects - the government pays them back with interest over a period of time. It is how shares and bonds works. Nobody is hurt in the process and you still get a return on your investment. It does not involve gambling and the money will be used for the betterment of society.

The government can pay back the money because everyone has to pay taxes to the government - electricity, telecommunication, customs, national insurance, etc.

I have personally seen te devistation that gambling causes, even seen adults crying because they lost all their cash and need food for their kids.


I know it personally When I was in my 20's A guy came around with 3 cards all I had to do was pick the same one twice. I lost all but $20.00 of my pay. It was the last time I was dumb.

*glad you saw that the ods were not in your favour, even though logic would imply that guessing the same card twice in a row from 3 random positions should make you realize that you had a better chance of losing than winning.

I went to Las Veges on a family trip about 40 of us. I sat down at the poker table with the intent to lose $50.00 because that is what I could afford. Do you know how much I lost? I lost a total of $50.00. But had a good time had 2 (socalled) free drinks. I spent my money on the shows and other attractions. Like taking my granddaughter to see Hoover Dam. Never seen so much fresh water in one place.

*many people can't control how much they can afford, and if the casino was to lend them money to try to recoup what they lost, they would probably end up owing the casino money as well. :D

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Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
There is such a thing as responsible gambling, but the various gambling games hardly ever limit the players to a responsible bet - they are usually allowed to play until they los everything, and casinos even give out free cash and food and drinks to keep the players in their seats - knowing full well that the odds are not in the players favour.


Its not up to the business to limit how much a customer can spend.

*which is why they often spend everything, because the more they lose, the more they try to win what they lost back - just to win what they lost, not to leave with a profit!!!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
The simple fact of the matter is that gambling is always either a) one sided, one person has greater odds or b) completely random chance.

Games of skill are a different matter and usually not considered gambling - but everyone has to start of equal and win by using skill not the cards they were dealt - a good example is a pool/billiard tournament.

Losing your 'scared money', i.e. money they can't afford to lose. No matter how skillful they are if someone is more skilled "They can't pay their bills, their children get sent to school with no lunch or no lunch money" Just the same.
With you saying the above you nullify your poor mans argument.

not so vicky, your destiny is not determined by chance or luck. You have to beat the other player. If you ever played pool, you will know that ameteur players who know they can't beat the novices, seldom bet money against them. Because even though they start with equal opportunity to win, the better player almost always beats them by leaps and bounds.

I have yet to beat 2 players and I am known to hold a table by continuosly beating my opponents for up to 2 consecutive hours . But I know better than to go up against the 'pool sharks', I will always lose, but other 'pool sharks' play against them for up to $100 per match - single elimination.

so you see, you have to be incredibly stupid to be dealt an equal hand and go head to head with a better player. but with chance the casinos rules always are in their favour.

and playing head to head, your ability to win is based mostly on chance because even with skill, you may start off with unfavorable odds of winning.

bahamians complain about paying national insurance, but will go and spend their entire check gambling.

these same people will not regularly save some of their money for hard times.


if you were to share all the money in the bahamas evenly amongst bahamians,
it would take a very short time for that money to end up back in the hands of a very few people - because people give it back to them.

I imagine this has nothing to do with the lottery, as thats just a $1 thing .. any moron objected to a lottery does not care about improving the economy.

The Drug Trade can improve the econmy much faster than a lottery. We should look more into that avenue?

The Drug Trade can improve the econmy much faster than a lottery. We should look more into that avenue?


agreed.

lol.

but then that causes people to be killed somewhere in the chain as well.

the point is Rory, you aren't changing the economy with a lottery, just moving the money from the players into the hands of lottery business owners.

building businesses that will attract money from outside our islands will better our economy, and I am not talking about tourism.

paying all these immagrants/refugees a *fair* salary to work for us doing agriculture on a big island like Andros could help the immagrants and allow us to produce food from the ground that can feed the bahamas cheaply and also bring in money from export.

the only real way to increase money is to create something from raw materials that other nations would buy - like how cuba turns tobacco into cigars.

I personally think we should focus on agriculture and probably vacation type real estate on the out islands.

The lottery is basically taking from the poor and giving to the rich, and the rich usually invest this money and earn huge profits, and then lend money back to the poor persons at high interest rates.

what do you think banks, insurance, and unions do?

they only help you if you qualify.

agreed.

lol.

but then that causes people to be killed somewhere in the chain as well.

the point is Rory, you aren't changing the economy with a lottery, just moving the money from the players into the hands of lottery business owners.

building businesses that will attract money from outside our islands will better our economy, and I am not talking about tourism.

paying all these immagrants/refugees a *fair* salary to work for us doing agriculture on a big island like Andros could help the immagrants and allow us to produce food from the ground that can feed the bahamas cheaply and also bring in money from export.

the only real way to increase money is to create something from raw materials that other nations would buy - like how cuba turns tobacco into cigars.

I personally think we should focus on agriculture and probably vacation type real estate on the out islands.

The lottery is basically taking from the poor and giving to the rich, and the rich usually invest this money and earn huge profits, and then lend money back to the poor persons at high interest rates.

what do you think banks, insurance, and unions do?

they only help you if you qualify.


You are changing the economy. The money will go from the web shop owners pockets, into the governments pocket, to help with the local economy, that is if they spend it right.

The Drug Trade can improve the econmy much faster than a lottery. We should look more into that avenue?


That is not a comparison, drugs kill, a national lottery does not harm anyone.

There is absolutely nothing that can be said to undermine the usefulness of a national lottery. I guess christians in the Bahamas are just scared that the economy will boom and then people will start to get a free thinking mind and that means less money in the pockets of the pastors and churches, so they make things up and hope the brainwashed ones still listen to them!

I really dont care, because Im going to make my money none the less, but for the good of the majority of the Bahamian people, if the government and churches gave a rats hair about them they would stop taking all their money to build new churches and actually do something to improve their living conditions.

That is not a comparison, drugs kill, a national lottery does not harm anyone.

not physically, but economically.

There is absolutely nothing that can be said to undermine the usefulness of a national lottery. I guess christians in the Bahamas are just scared that the economy will boom and then people will start to get a free thinking mind and that means less money in the pockets of the pastors and churches, so they make things up and hope the brainwashed ones still listen to them!


c'mon, many christians don't even go to church.


I really dont care, because Im going to make my money none the less, but for the good of the majority of the Bahamian people, if the government and churches gave a rats hair about them they would stop taking all their money to build new churches and actually do something to improve their living conditions.


yup. it is pretty dumb to pour tons of cash into the churches that are forever collecting cash for the 'building' fund.

what about the poor people fund?
... the old people fund?
... the homeless people fund?
... the disaster relief fund?
etc, etc.

why don't the board of directors of these churches suggest more than building a bigger building. why don't the members get together and suggest
something better?




this is one reason why I stay out of church, they preach about Jesus' ministry but only build bigger churches - Jesus never built a church, much less a big one.

agreed.

lol.

but then that causes people to be killed somewhere in the chain as well.

the point is Rory, you aren't changing the economy with a lottery, just moving the money from the players into the hands of lottery business owners.

building businesses that will attract money from outside our islands will better our economy, and I am not talking about tourism.

paying all these immagrants/refugees a *fair* salary to work for us doing agriculture on a big island like Andros could help the immagrants and allow us to produce food from the ground that can feed the bahamas cheaply and also bring in money from export.

the only real way to increase money is to create something from raw materials that other nations would buy - like how cuba turns tobacco into cigars.

I personally think we should focus on agriculture and probably vacation type real estate on the out islands.

The lottery is basically taking from the poor and giving to the rich, and the rich usually invest this money and earn huge profits, and then lend money back to the poor persons at high interest rates.

what do you think banks, insurance, and unions do?

they only help you if you qualify.


You are very intelligent bsm :tup:
I am being convinced of that each day as I read your posts. Glad to have you as a member of this site.

You are very intelligent bsm :tup:
I am being convinced of that each day as I read your posts. Glad to have you as a member of this site.


thanks Delroy, I feel the same way about you.

If more people would read, not just watch tv and listen to other nations blabbing they would be able to really weigh out matters before responding so haphazardly.

but everyone is entitled to their opinion, and no one is necessarily right.

the goal is to convince the majority that your opinion is the best solution to the problem at hand.

P.S. I really like the programming that makes this board so functional.

:bye:

That is not a comparison, drugs kill, a national lottery does not harm anyone.

There is absolutely nothing that can be said to undermine the usefulness of a national lottery. I guess christians in the Bahamas are just scared that the economy will boom and then people will start to get a free thinking mind and that means less money in the pockets of the pastors and churches, so they make things up and hope the brainwashed ones still listen to them!

I really dont care, because Im going to make my money none the less, but for the good of the majority of the Bahamian people, if the government and churches gave a rats hair about them they would stop taking all their money to build new churches and actually do something to improve their living conditions.


Your right Rory :tup: You are going to make your money none the less.
The more web shops open the more breakings will occur and more alarms will be needed. These places are visited by people who want something for nothing. They don't want to work hard like you and me to get what they want. They like a "get rich" fix in a hurry. These are the same people who protest every year for salary increases when the pay and benefits they currently receive outmatches every nation in this region. Yet they will turn your light off during Christmas. I am sure that God cries over these heartless souls. The ones who curse at defence force officers because they aren't lifting the supplies off the trucks fast enough. The clowns that stick pornography on the sides of bars just to sell a bottle of Campari. Forget the young children who has to stare at these images for hours in traffic while heading to school. And the fools want to know why education isn't reaching the minds of our nations' youth. They can't concentrate! When mummy suppose to be home after work she's in the web shop playing digits from a dream book. And when 14 year old Stacy gets pregnant, "I was a good mother". These fools train their children that money is for one person, whoever wins the jackpot! They create greed in every area of society. Yet they get angry at God when they suffer violence. The violence that they created. They are quick to shoot the intruder and quick to support the breeder of intruders. Yet this man is only in your home looking for what he lost. It's his!

We are dead without knowledge and we will all suffer for the stupidity of the one standing next to us. When he spills coffee it will fall on our feet also.

Wow Delroy! Preach it! He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Revelation 22:11-15
11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

12 "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
NIV

Wow Delroy! Preach it! He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Revelation 22:11-15
11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

12 "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
NIV


awesome reference. another ...

Proverbs 14
11 The house of the wicked shall be overthrown: but the tabernacle of the upright shall flourish.
12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
13 Even in laughter the heart is sorrowful; and the end of that mirth is heaviness.

too bad satan and his demons are standing by watching the unbeleivers, ready to inject a counter thought that seems logical enough to explain away God's word.

2 Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Gambling- "A Poor Man's Game". That statement is certainly true. Isn't it amazing that the persons buying numbers, playing lotto and jackpots, most of the times are the poor barely making minimum wage workers in this country. I think it is more important to instill in individuals a mindset of saving and investing for the future of themselves and their kids, rather than blowing it all on a number. I mean gambling is a game of chance, not certainty, but if you put your money in the bank on fixed and save for a rainy day or whatever, you can be pretty sure that it will be there. Bahamians or most I should say do not plan and save, rather they buy and spend money they dont have, and may not earn.

Gambling- "A Poor Man's Game". That statement is certainly true. Isn't it amazing that the persons buying numbers, playing lotto and jackpots, most of the times are the poor barely making minimum wage workers in this country. I think it is more important to instill in individuals a mindset of saving and investing for the future of themselves and their kids, rather than blowing it all on a number. I mean gambling is a game of chance, not certainty, but if you put your money in the bank on fixed and save for a rainy day or whatever, you can be pretty sure that it will be there. Bahamians or most I should say do not plan and save, rather they buy and spend money they dont have, and may not earn.


Go to the head of the class Teniel.

the bahamas is filled with too many 'kimbo kings' and 'kimbo queens',
they stand hands akimbo or folded and complain, always looking for another handout, and a get rich quick scheme.

what they need to do is focus on business building, instead of job seeking.

instead of trying to get their own car or house or business to make their family, and indeed the bahamas, richer - they borrow with no intention of paying back.

how many rich gamblers do you know?
how many rich job holders do you know?

saving money won't make this country rich,
investing money in business that will bring more money will.

Now if the government told me - give me $100 and we will invest it and pay you back $120 in 6 months - guaranteed, wouldn't you fork it over?

that what shares are - a loan - but you get interest because you lent out the money - not borrowed it.

too bad most share opportunities require a huge outlay.

If I could buy shares in 100 bahamian companies starting at say $100, I would start with my next check.

we need to educate our people on the many ways of making money from raw materials or by providing services.

Instead of a lottery, why allow the bahamian population to lend money to the government for interest. If the payback period is short and the interest rate is reasonable - they will have money coming from every direction.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas

Gambling is motivated by pure greed, and nothing more.


So is investing in a business. So is learning and becoming good at a trade/job. You do you best so you can earn more money so you can have a better life.

*gamling takes money from the rest of the gamblers, investments are based on well calculated odds, gambling is based on chance.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
All gamblers desire to get something for nothing.

That is not so they put their investment on the table like all the other gamblers.

*their wager is not an investment

wager

1.
a. An agreement under which each bettor pledges a certain amount to the other depending on the outcome of an unsettled matter.
b. A matter bet on; a gamble.

2. Something staked on an uncertain outcome; a bet.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=wager

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investment(1)
1.Property acquired for the purpose of producing income for its owner. Just as plants and equipment are investments for manufacturers, stocks and bonds are investments for individuals.
2. Expenditures made for income-producing assets.

investment(2)
2 : the commitment of funds with a view to minimizing risk and safeguarding capital while earning a return

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=investment

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
They do not care how much they take from the other players.

You mean the other players don't care how much they are willing to loose.

You mean the glass is half full?
Oh ... i meant the glass was half empty!
:footmouth

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
And many times the other players are playing with 'scared money', i.e. money they can't afford to lose.

That is the player choice no matter how dumb it is.

*so let the dumb bastards lose everything, and then what?
depend on the government to hand them welfare?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
As they lose more and more of their 'scared money' they get into trouble.

That is the player choice no matter how dumb it is

*again should the law makers that are responsible for the welfare of all, just let dumb people do what they want because it is their choice? - no matter how dumb it is.

also are you admitting that gambling is dumb - and still supporting it?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
They can't pay their bills, their children get sent to school with no lunch or no lunch money.

That is the player choice no matter how dumb it is.

*do you even know when to admit defeat?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
Meanwhile the winner is having a ball and proclaiming how great gambling is and how much they won. [QUOTE=bsmbahamas] If my investment on money and time paid off I waould proclaim how great it is as well.

[QUOTE=bsmbahamas]A week later that same person loses a heap of money to the other players and causes a lot of resentment among the gamblers. And of course the bills go unpaid again - which also causes lots of unesseccary anger and stress.


That is the player choice to go back no matter how dumb it is.

*sorta like a prostitute getting the crap beat out of her by one of her clients, and going right back and doing it again huh?

*what about educating these people that refuse to educate themselves, and not putting something into place that encourages them to act on their dumbness?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
Apart from winning every now and then, everything else about gambling is basically bad for the gamblers.

There are better ways to invest money - people can lend money to the government for development projects - the government pays them back with interest over a period of time. It is how shares and bonds works. Nobody is hurt in the process and you still get a return on your investment. It does not involve gambling and the money will be used for the betterment of society.

The government can pay back the money because everyone has to pay taxes to the government - electricity, telecommunication, customs, national insurance, etc.

I have personally seen te devistation that gambling causes, even seen adults crying because they lost all their cash and need food for their kids.


I know it personally When I was in my 20's A guy came around with 3 cards all I had to do was pick the same one twice. I lost all but $20.00 of my pay. It was the last time I was dumb.

*glad you saw that the ods were not in your favour, even though logic would imply that guessing the same card twice in a row from 3 random positions should make you realize that you had a better chance of losing than winning.

I went to Las Veges on a family trip about 40 of us. I sat down at the poker table with the intent to lose $50.00 because that is what I could afford. Do you know how much I lost? I lost a total of $50.00. But had a good time had 2 (socalled) free drinks. I spent my money on the shows and other attractions. Like taking my granddaughter to see Hoover Dam. Never seen so much fresh water in one place.

*many people can't control how much they can afford, and if the casino was to lend them money to try to recoup what they lost, they would probably end up owing the casino money as well. :D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
There is such a thing as responsible gambling, but the various gambling games hardly ever limit the players to a responsible bet - they are usually allowed to play until they los everything, and casinos even give out free cash and food and drinks to keep the players in their seats - knowing full well that the odds are not in the players favour.


Its not up to the business to limit how much a customer can spend.

*which is why they often spend everything, because the more they lose, the more they try to win what they lost back - just to win what they lost, not to leave with a profit!!!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmbahamas
The simple fact of the matter is that gambling is always either a) one sided, one person has greater odds or b) completely random chance.

Games of skill are a different matter and usually not considered gambling - but everyone has to start of equal and win by using skill not the cards they were dealt - a good example is a pool/billiard tournament.

Losing your 'scared money', i.e. money they can't afford to lose. No matter how skillful they are if someone is more skilled "They can't pay their bills, their children get sent to school with no lunch or no lunch money" Just the same.
With you saying the above you nullify your poor mans argument.

not so vicky, your destiny is not determined by chance or luck. You have to beat the other player. If you ever played pool, you will know that ameteur players who know they can't beat the novices, seldom bet money against them. Because even though they start with equal opportunity to win, the better player almost always beats them by leaps and bounds.

I have yet to beat 2 players and I am known to hold a table by continuosly beating my opponents for up to 2 consecutive hours . But I know better than to go up against the 'pool sharks', I will always lose, but other 'pool sharks' play against them for up to $100 per match - single elimination.


What happens if the player you beat, bet their 'scared money'. Hypocrite. I need not respond to you any more on this issue.



so you see, you have to be incredibly stupid to be dealt an equal hand and go head to head with a better player. but with chance the casinos rules always are in their favour.

and playing head to head, your ability to win is based mostly on chance because even with skill, you may start off with unfavorable odds of winning.