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Lincoln
07-05-04, - 11:41 PM
The Lottery and Gaming Act is Illegal!!!

The Lottery and Gaming Act chapter 387 preventing Bahamians from gambling or owning such businesses is a complete travesty and an insult to our democracy. It is quite a surprise that this act that is inconsistent with, in contravention and a contradiction of the constitution article 15 could last so long in a ‘free’ nation. The problem with this act can be summed up in one word: dis•crim•i•na•tion

The act is worded in such a way that it states that gambling in the Bahamas is legal however this act was polluted by the inclusion of section 50 paragraphs B through D. These paragraphs state that the only persons prohibited from gambling are Bahamians! That’s incredible, but it is also illegal. We are the only nation (including the ‘evil’ communist) that has a law that states that a foreigner can come in your country and do something but the people to whom the country belongs cannot. The last time a law like this was pass was during the time of Mahatma Gandhi.

During his day salt was one of the most profitable industries in the world. One of the leading countries in this industry was India. Realizing this, the oppressive British colonist came to India- guns blazing- took over the sovereign nation and made a law stating that only a foreigner can make salt, Indians were prohibited from doing likewise. Most Indians were comfortable with this law: besides, the British were going to come in and provide a lot of good jobs in the salt industry. So the law existed practically unchallenged. However one man was not comfortable with the foreign monopoly of salt and the stealthy salt tax. Mahatma Gandhi saw the law as discriminatory and though it was on the books it was invalid to him. So he decided to treat it as such. He chose to defy. In actuality he did not feel as if he was defying anything because a law that is unjust is not a law at all. Gandhi embarked on a twenty day march to the Arabian Sea and made salt regardless of the law. As a result of his actions the law and the oppressor had to go.


The constitution of the Bahamas states that no person can be discriminated against because of his nationality/place of origin, race, sex, etc. By saying that a person cannot gamble in this country because they are Bahamian is to discriminate against that person because of his/her nationality. Nonetheless this has been the stand of the government and the church for a very long time while the masses sit comfortable like the negroes of old countenancing injustice. It was not so long ago in this country that blacks had to leave the Bay Street area by five o’clock. It was not so long ago that blacks had to leave school after completing the sixth grade; my father was one of them. I asked him how the people of his day could allow such rules to persist. In reverie he said “no one said anything. That was just the way it was”. Yet this is still the way it is. The way it is, is that they allow gambling at the casinos and the carnival because ‘foreigners’ own them. But I have news for the government: Bahamians want to make money to. Why can’t we own whatever a foreigner can own? Is that fair in a democracy?
We interrupt this message with a fast breaking news story; this just in- we are following leads into allegations that Bahamians, that’s right, Bahamians gamble every day. It is further alleged that those Bahamians who gamble risk an average of one dollar a day doing so.

A whole dollar! Can you believe it? However despite the wide spread epidemic of gamble fever the church and police are apparently unaware of any such incidents. When contacted the police indicated that they have received no complaints reference to illicit gambling at business establishment or on the ‘web’. We also attempted to contact several churches but they were unavailable for comment. They were reportedly too busy counting the tithe money of the thousands of Bahamians employed on casino properties to comment on any issues.

The problem with the church
The hypo-christians say that they are against gambling. Most of them say that it is a sin and contrary to scripture. However I have noticed something peculiar during their speeches on the topic: they never include scripture, not even a measly line of quotation. That is because there is nothing from scripture that they can use to support their fundamentalist claim. But I have a few questions for them.

If gambling is so sinful then why did the disciples, who were said to be inspired by God himself, gamble to decided who would replace Judas as the next disciple (Acts 1:26). That’s right they had a lottery, if you will, and the winner would not win money, a T.V. or a new car he would be the next disciple. Of course they won’t read that scripture in church.

If gambling is so sinful then why is it that priest in the bible were required to wear a robe fitted with a pocket designed specifically for carrying a lot? A lot is a coin like disk that they flipped just like we flip a coin. They were required to flip this disk to make any major decisions. That is called casting lots, as in lottery. That is why they call parcels of land lots; because the Jews cast lots to decide who would get which lot in there new kingdom- Wow, they gambled out the holy land. They also used dice or pieces of wood for lots. Then you would remember that in Jonah’s story they cast lots to find out who was the cause of the storm. I have heard preachers say that God caused the lot to fall on Jonah.

You mean even God participated in gambling! It’s a good thing he isn’t a Bahamian! Maybe that’s why Christians have lotteries all the time: A.K.A raffles. The next child I see on the street selling raffle tickets for the church I am going to tell him I can’t buy because his pastor is against lotteries.

The hypo-christians have their own form of lottery going on. It’s called prosperity; “I gave $10 to the pastor let’s see how much God will give me back. He owes me at least one hundred fold.” These lotteries are apparently a success because pastors are erecting new two and three story homes in West Ridge and other upper class areas at alarming rates. However to receive the benefits of this kind of lottery you must be a pastor.

The president of the Christian council was recently reported by the media as saying that we cannot stop the homosexuals from coming here on cruise ships because “we need their money!” Don’t we also need the millions of dollars going out of the country every day for foreign lotteries? Don’t we need money that can be gained by legalizing then taxing the number houses all over Nassau?

Social Implications
Some say that if we legalize gambling then Bahamians are going to go out and gamble all of their money. None of us know the answer to this question. However we can all agree that prejudice is quite simply, stupid. You should not prejudge a man’s future actions. A few years ago I was walking on Village Road. When I came to the junction of Village Road and Shirley Street I saw some men working on the traffic light.

I decided to stop and watch. One of the men, a white Canadian, approached me and asked me what I thought about the job they were doing installing new traffic lights all over Nassau. I told him that they were doing a great job but I had a pressing question. I asked him why it was that they don’t fix the lights to allow left turns on red where the road width allows as they do in the United States where they allow right turns on red. His response was a simple one, “these Bahamians aren’t smart enough to catch on to that. They would kill themselves.” I laughed but he didn’t crack a smile- he was serious. I told him that they are smart enough to do it when they drive in the US. He responded “Well let them do it there.” He told me that they had such a light at Baillou Hill road next to government house but they decided “change it back before these people killed themselves.”

The fact is gambling is legal according to the law. It is only illegal for ‘dumb’ Bahamians. In the countries were gambling is legal everyone doesn’t gamble- only those who want to. Neither did gambling destroy their economy or make every one poor. If the Christians don’t want to gamble then they are free to not do so. Everyone should be free to choose as in every other true democracy.

It’s time!
It’s time for Bahamians to taste the freedom that Sir Lynden and the boys fought for. Gambling was made legal a long time ago. It is time for us to exercise our legal rites. Freedom is a dish self served buffet style. No one is going to just give it to you. If the politicians are afraid to make the law allow us to dine in the freedom restaurant with the ‘foreigners’ then it is time to do what Martin Luther King Jr. and the boys did: defy! Maybe it’s time to show up to the casinos like everyone else and play. If they refuse to let you play like they refused to serve King then just sit there like King did. They may arrest you like they did King and Gandhi, but that would take the decision out of the hands of the politicians and place it in the hands of lady justice. I heard that she is blind so hopefully she won’t see your colour, race, or nationality. She will have to rule against discrimination: Dis crime in our nation. And when she makes a decision it is law. As with anything gambling in excess can be a bad thing- unless you are winning, which only foreigners are allowed to do- but I along with a growing number of Bahamians feel that discrimination is a far worse sin than gambling. The sweet aroma of civil disobedience is in the air. It’s time to defy!

Lincoln Bain
Dean and Director of urban re-education at F.U.

Rory
07-08-04, - 02:04 AM
only problem is they will arrest us and there is I think a fine of $500 or time in jail.

But yes, we should be allowed to gamble if we want to.

AmericanPhemmefatale
07-08-04, - 07:07 PM
I have a question. Why is that I am American and can gamble in the casinos in the Bahamas and the Bahamians can not even gamble in their own casinos? When I went to Freeport no one ever ask for identification to see if I was under age or not. And I haven't turned 18 yet til this day. :screw:

Lincoln
07-08-04, - 07:33 PM
Yes Rory they will arrest us, but because the act is unjust they cannot convict us. If they arrest us and we win the case in court then the law is automatically changed. The problem is no one ever challenged this issue from the angle of discrimanation. They have always argued it from a religious stand point. remember any decision made by the court is automatically law. this is a law that we are going to fight and win. We are going to gamble in the casinos and force them to arrest us. $500 is a small price to pay for freedom and equality. This is the twenty first century we will not tolerate inequality. If a foreigner can own a casino or an over and under table then we should have a fair oporrtunity to own, as well as gamble in them.

CG
07-08-04, - 09:36 PM
I am told that White Bahamians gamble here all the time. I am white, but gambling holds no interest for me. Could this "no Bahamians gambling in the Casinos" go deeper than just being Bahamian? Or is it just some Bahamians? That is a point to ponder! Perhaps someone in authority can let us know.

upset
07-09-04, - 01:19 PM
I agree with Lincoln. I feel that a government cannot exercise a law for and then against gambling at the same time.It is outright hypocrisy to justify one set of people gambling vs another set of peolpe not gambling in the same country. This is a matter of equal rights. Not so long ago we had a similar problem where only whites were able to vote in a country that had white and blacks. Blacks did not have equal oppotunity. We fought this and won; or so we thought. Yet now in 2004 we are still waging a war that probably some bahamains see as trivial. However, one will never know how far reaching this discrimination is. This is only by far what we can see. Should we sit back and allow our rights to be stamped on? You decide. If someone did not stand up for black people right to vote in the Bahamas, we would still at this time be facing the reprecusions of their lack of action. This is a small role for us modern and freed Bahamains to play in the totol freedom of our society from the grip of discrimination. :jawdroop: :jawdroop: :jawdroop: :jawdroop: :jawdroop:

Rory
07-09-04, - 11:44 PM
I am told that White Bahamians gamble here all the time. I am white, but gambling holds no interest for me. Could this "no Bahamians gambling in the Casinos" go deeper than just being Bahamian? Or is it just some Bahamians? That is a point to ponder! Perhaps someone in authority can let us know.

White bahamians will get arrested just as fast. thing is they tend to blend in more like a tourist which is why they are not always caught. Take this from personal experience many years ago. It doesnt matter the color of your skin, if you are a bahamian the casino security WILL hold you and the police will arrest you, in fact, they seemed to like it even more that it be a white bahamian. They take it more personal and more physical violence is normally involved.

I think as a free country we should have the same or more rights than a tourist, and that includes gambling or throwing a couple quarters in a machine if we want to. But maybe thats just me. I really do not care what the christian council has to say on this matter, they are not my DADDY, i am a grown man and can make my own mistakes, if they cared so much they would steer more towards stopping drinking and driving, and the biggr problem with alchohol and drugs in our country.

Gambling is a choice, and is another freedom we are being stripped of, and have been for years, from one government to the next, along with many other freedoms, and new ones just recent. (VOIP ring a bell). The morons that make these laws should be treated as traitors to the bahamas because they are stripping us of our freedom as human beings. In a free society there should be a vote for certain laws, I wonder why as Bahamians we have no say in anything that goes on, only people in power (or so called power) have the say here.

I denounce their say and their believes, they mean nothing to me and other people that believe in a free society. I will follow laws that protect the innocent and protect people from harm, laws that make sense and are intelligent, but laws that 'so called' lawmakers make because of their personal beliefs have no place in a free society. However, I never said I would not follow the laws, as I dont want to go to prison, its one of the worst in the world.

I do believe in God but do not see where a so called 'christian council' can have the power or right to tell us as a free society what we should or not do, without reason. Laws are made for a reason, and I believe in laws that protect people, but there are many laws in the Bahamas that make no sense to people with intelligence, and impose on our freedom as a people.

Im not white, im not black, im not any particular religion, Im just a bahamian that believes in being free and some current laws here in the Bahamas are infringing on our freedom.

I think we are lucky enough to have this form of freedom to cast our views without getting discriminated against and jailed or executed, as in other countries such as Cuba, we have something that we can build on. Maybe in time the other infractions on our freedom will get better and the laws will change for the bahamian people, and not for those in power.

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Rory
07-10-04, - 12:15 AM
Yes Rory they will arrest us, but because the act is unjust they cannot convict us. If they arrest us and we win the case in court then the law is automatically changed. The problem is no one ever challenged this issue from the angle of discrimanation. They have always argued it from a religious stand point. remember any decision made by the court is automatically law. this is a law that we are going to fight and win. We are going to gamble in the casinos and force them to arrest us. $500 is a small price to pay for freedom and equality. This is the twenty first century we will not tolerate inequality. If a foreigner can own a casino or an over and under table then we should have a fair oporrtunity to own, as well as gamble in them.

I totally agree with you. But if we win this fight, others may try to fight other laws that should be imposed, such as a very common one where people run red lights after 12 midnight. I travel alot after midnight, and maybe 1 or 2 out of say 100 stop for a light, or stay at it until it turns green. There are so many others also, that people may choose to fight against. Why can a police motorbike drive in the middle of the road, when in all reality a regular motorbike should/cannot. Unless that police has a siren on he is also breaking the law, overtaking with oncoming traffic and on double lines. There are alot of little laws that people may choose to fight after this is won.

But saying that, its worth the struggle, to win freedom to gamble, as it is a freedom for us as Bahamians.

Lincoln
07-10-04, - 11:15 AM
I totally agree with you. But if we win this fight, others may try to fight other laws that should be imposed, such as a very common one where people run red lights after 12 midnight.
Rory, the above is not paralell to the issue at hand. it would be the same if, say, americans were allowed to run the red light after twelve but Bahamians were not. Again the issue is not about legalizing gambling-it is legal. The issue is equality. If a foreigner can own a casino hotel in the bahamas but bahamians can't then that is an unfair advantage not consistant with democracy and true capitalism.
And so what if others try to get other laws passed after we win this? that is their right and that is what democracy is all about. we should be constantly reviewing laws for their relivance and changing or challenging them as necessary as the nation grows.
Anyway we are going to fight this. if you truely believe that this law flies in the face of equality then support us. Even if it is just arguing are case around the dinner table or in the barber shop. You don't have to come get arrested we will get arrested for you- everyday if necessary. The fine is $500 or one year. Life expectancy is 71yrs. We are going to use all of them if necessary. Justice will not be denied.

Mark Madson
07-11-04, - 01:30 PM
Wow! I like this Post. I am a white bahamian and I can attest that I along with some of my white friend friends gamble in Nassau and Freeport casinos all the time. Maybe they asume we are tourist but we go there very often and after seeing us for a long period of time i assume they suspect that we are not tourist. This is a great website i stumbled on it while doing a google search for the bahamas constitution. The initial writer, Lincoln, is right it is blatant inequality. If I were black I would feel violated. I think that the religiuos article by Cedric on the home page should be moved and replaced with this article. I noticed that Cedric promised to coment on this issue but I doubt that he can argue with the truth that it is discrimination.

chancellor
07-11-04, - 06:47 PM
Great!... A new and much better case against the gambling act!
I always though if The Bahamas was such a "Christian Nation" then gambling should not be completely banned, or it should be open for all. So what is the message that the Christian Council is saying, that Bahamians are such holy and humble people that we should not gamble in our own home, but we don't care about the tourists and their spiritual safety and well being, as long as they are leaving their money in this country, they can continue to go down hell road......I don't know, but from my obsevations thats what they are saying. I notice they are not conducting protests or handing out pamphlets at the doors of the casinos persuading tourists not to gamble, if this country is so holy and they dont want it to be contaminated. If they hate gambling so much then they should even discourage Bahamians whishing to work at a casino, keeping it understaffed and unable it operate smoothly.
At first racism created this act, but now double standards keep it alive.

Maybe they dont let us invest in foreign companies either because some people also consider it gambling, like on the NYSE when some people "play the market"

Anyway, it shouldn't matter if you are a Christian or not. It is not about religion it is about principle and basic civil liberty...In my view. We are given choices and you make choices, based on your personal values and beliefs. If you are not into gambling then dont gamble. If you wish to gamble, then may luck be a lady for you.

One thing that is missing in Government is a body that examines laws and determines whether it is legal or unconstitutional. there needs to be a greater balance of power in this government. We can all see that this law is unconstitutional and this kind of law would not survive in the supreme court in the US.

Rory
07-11-04, - 07:30 PM
Wow! I like this Post. I am a white bahamian and I can attest that I along with some of my white friend friends gamble in Nassau and Freeport casinos all the time. Maybe they asume we are tourist but we go there very often and after seeing us for a long period of time i assume they suspect that we are not tourist. This is a great website i stumbled on it while doing a google search for the bahamas constitution. The initial writer, Lincoln, is right it is blatant inequality. If I were black I would feel violated. I think that the religiuos article by Cedric on the home page should be moved and replaced with this article. I noticed that Cedric promised to coment on this issue but I doubt that he can argue with the truth that it is discrimination.

I dont know what they do now, but back in the day (early 90's) they stopped us all the time when we used to hang out in the casino. We used to hang with tourists also and talked and dressed like tourists, but still were stopped as they saw us often and pretty much figured it out. They never caught us gambling though, but generally were told to move on without actually saying it.

And from other experiences in the 2 casinos back then, they treated us white bahamians the same as any bahamian. But that was over 10 years ago, maybe its changed since then, i personally stay far away from the hotels now, they dont interest me.

Delroy
07-11-04, - 10:16 PM
There are many areas in the Bahamas in which Bahamians are discriminated upon.
I don't support Gambling for many reasons and it is foolishness to divide laws on the basis of race. If it is illegal then end the entire thing. If we had kept our first decision that Gambling was not good for the Bahamas on all sides we would not have to debate this issue of discrimination.

It seems as though we have double-minded leadership in this country.

Rory
07-11-04, - 10:21 PM
when i came back from NY and was looking at jobs in restaurants as a waiter, they told me they only hire females! Look at jobs in the newspaper, most are for females only, that is also discrimination.

Mark Madson
07-12-04, - 05:29 AM
when i came back from NY and was looking at jobs in restaurants as a waiter, they told me they only hire females! Look at jobs in the newspaper, most are for females only, that is also discrimination.
Yes Rory, that to is discrimination but what make the gambling issue worse is that it is the law discriminating against its own citizens. I still say move the religious article on the home page(and every other page) and replace it with this aricle!