There you are Vicky..
Its right in there...
under abominations...
Now we all know that you are going to rave and rant with your interpretation of Abominations; just for interest sake, ask the room, who all thinks that the word abominations means homosexuality... Right off the top abomination does not mean homosexuality and you can never make it mean homosexuality no matter how hard you try. Also is the majority always right???? HHHhmmm the world is flat Lets think about it. How many people grew up and died knowing for a fact that the world was flat. HHHmm How does Columbus time ring a bell. All those people believing the world was flat could not make it flat. Majority of people being lead by religious leaders to believe a lie does not make it right HHmm crucify him crucify him. HHHmmm.
Many will be lead astray by false teachings. oh here is a good one.
Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Luke 6:22
Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake


So all of you that speak out against GLBT in the name of Jesus sake you bless us.

Have a nice day.
Then you would clearly see that we reject your philosphy and embrace the fact Get it straight not fact but faith. Something you believe with out proof. because you can't prove the Bible to be from God/ the Creator. that homosexuality is wrong according to the scriptures...
But truly your debates need be with people who know the bible from left to right, not us, who only reads it on sundays. Clearly you have an unfair advantage, as we all know you can quote scripture....


I have and they end up ignoring the questions just like many here.

You see when they are confronted with haveing to live up to the Old Testament as well they have no choice but to back off. Few very few try to beat around the bush to get out of it but they can't. You see Christ aslo taught.
Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)
1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

2 if you judge others by the Old Testament you also will be judged by the Old Testament.

John 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

I will even bring the stone for you if you want to stone me.

Right off the top abomination does not mean homosexuality and you can never make it mean homosexuality no matter how hard you try. Also is the majority always right???? HHHhmmm the world is flat Lets think about it. How many people grew up and died knowing for a fact that the world was flat. HHHmm How does Columbus time ring a bell. All those people believing the world was flat could not make it flat.
Like I told u before the world was flat back then...
Now we know better...Its not good to remove history and apply it to mordern times...Next thing you will tell me that during the days of old, when person got the plague, it was wrong for them to seperate them from the people...at that time it was the only medicine they had.

There you are Vicky..
Its right in there...
under abominations...
Now we all know that you are going to rave and rant with your interpretation of Abominations; just for interest sake, ask the room, who all thinks that the word abominations means homosexuality... Then you would clearly see that we reject your philosphy and embrace the fact that homosexuality is wrong according to the scriptures...
But truly your debates need be with people who know the bible from left to right, not us, who only reads it on sundays. Clearly you have an unfair advantage, as we all know you can quote scripture....



ABOMINATION 1: a person who is loathsome or disgusting 2: hate coupled with disgust [syn: abhorrence, detestation, execration, loathing, odium] 3: an action that is vicious or vile; an action that arouses disgust or abhorence; "his treatment of the children is an abomination"

I think abomination refers to ALL sin. all sins are an abomination in the eyes of god.

There you are Vicky..
Its right in there...
under abominations...
Now we all know that you are going to rave and rant with your interpretation of Abominations; just for interest sake, ask the room, who all thinks that the word abominations means homosexuality... Then you would clearly see that we reject your philosphy and embrace the fact that homosexuality is wrong according to the scriptures...

i am going to play devil advocate here:

it is clear that the bible considers homosexuality an abomination along with every other sexual sin (adultery, pre marital sex etc). the word does not mean homosexulity but is used to describe the act but like i said i have come to the conclusion that we just dont know who added and subtracted whatever they wished to the bible. although becuase of my FAITH not my religion i believe in the bible and believe most of it is the word of God to me it seems as though it contridicts itself and I can understand why many people dont believe in it and its teachings.

also i was thinking the other day, how much of this homosexual thing is society driven. remeber when interracial marriage was considered totally wrong, why is it that it is more acceptable to be a lesbian, why is it more acceptable to practice homosexuality versus beastality, why is it that when a female teacher hooks up with a young male student she gets pretty much a slap on the wrist. people make comments such as "thats a lucky boy" but if it was a male teacher and a young female student everyone have their pitch forks out? another intresting thing i was pondering (not pertaining to wheather its right or wrong) is the people that take the stance that homosexuality is not in man but a choice lifestyle they can only come up with two arguments to support that claim, mean while the other side can be supported by at least ten different agruments. these points i brought up are definatly something to ponder.


But truly your debates need be with people who know the bible from left to right, not us, who only reads it on sundays. Clearly you have an unfair advantage, as we all know you can quote scripture....


now thats a shame, i dont know if you said you were christian canewry. but if you are it is shameful that a quote/unquote homosexual, sissyified, cross dressing, confused, manish, he/she has more intrest in the bible than these "the bible say it wrong" type people. (not said in a angry, derrogatory, condisending, or hate filled matter)

at the end of the day we will all know when we die what the true deal is.

I just find this so amusing. If "men going with men" as you put it is a sign of the last days then these "last days" sure are lasting pretty long. Are we counting in elephant or whale years?? :uh:

Go to this link that lists some notable queer people throught history from all walks of life. It will show you that homosexuality has been around since the time of Lot until now.

http://www.famousandgay.com/


its true homosexuality has been around pretty much after adam and eve got kicked out of the garden of eden, this is another reason why i think it is just apart of man. in terms of your last days logic does the term "thief in the night" mean anything to you?

Like I told u before the world was flat back then...
Now we know better... Ah yes this is true so very true. Do you think the knowledge of a round earth spread over night. It was years and years before it was accepted as round. One of the last to change their thinking was the Christian church. Back then it was heresy to speak of a round earth, It was punishable by death Its not good to remove history and apply it to modern times...Then why do you apply the history in the Bible to modern times?????????? Next thing you will tell me that during the days of old, when person got the plague, it was wrong for them to seperate them from the people...at that time it was the only medicine they had.

HHHmm where did people learn about quarantine back then I have seen no reference for it in the Bible???

before that what did they do to people that had a disease. They treated them as demon possessed. HHHHmmm
They(christian authorities) were mistaken with the flat earth and they killed people for it.
The were mistaken about disease and people suffered and died for it.
Now they want to pick on us and destroy our lives. How long will we let them (christian authorities) keep on destroy and saying oops we were mistaken.

I suggest you check before you type so you don't get athletes tongue. :footmouth

its true homosexuality has been around pretty much after adam and eve got kicked out of the garden of eden, this is another reason why i think it is just apart of man. in terms of your last days logic does the term "thief in the night" mean anything to you?


Not picking on you just want you to think abot something. Adem Eve Cain and Able. Cain Kills Able and runs of to the land of Nod there he finds a wife. What did he marry for a wife??????

its true homosexuality has been around pretty much after adam and eve got kicked out of the garden of eden, this is another reason why i think it is just apart of man. in terms of your last days logic does the term "thief in the night" mean anything to you?


In all honesty...no it doesn't. I don't understand what you are trying to imply by that at all. Please clarify...

My logic was that if homosexuality is a sign of the last days, then we have been in the "last days" for about the past 2,000 years since there have been notable homosexual couples for at least that long (if not longer). I don't know if it is because I am not particularly religious, but I don't understand what the "thief in the night" comment has to do with that at all.

Not picking on you just want you to think abot something. Adem Eve Cain and Able. Cain Kills Able and runs of to the land of Nod there he finds a wife. What did he marry for a wife??????


can you repeat the question; "what did he marry for a wife?" doesnt make sense to me.

In all honesty...no it doesn't. I don't understand what you are trying to imply by that at all. Please clarify...

My logic was that if homosexuality is a sign of the last days, then we have been in the "last days" for about the past 2,000 years since there have been notable homosexual couples for at least that long (if not longer). I don't know if it is because I am not particularly religious, but I don't understand what the "thief in the night" comment has to do with that at all.



i was eluding to the fact that that guy was seemingly implying that since we have supposedly been in the last days for so long then the bible's prophecy about the last days seems to be false. i reffered to "theif in the night" becuase the bible says he will come as a theif in the night. meaning we dont know when, so we shouldnt assume "well dis last days ting gone on long enough". a thief will never call you up and say hey i will be there around 1 am.

i dont want to get back on the rapture discussion but i make it a habit to tell all those that dont believe in it that if it does happen and they are left behind dont fall for all the rumors that will spread the earth, know that it was God.

i also would like to take this time to mention that i believe the earth will be destroyed eventually, maybe not in our life time but at some point. if not by god by something else becuase nothing last forever

can you repeat the question; "what did he marry for a wife?" doesnt make sense to me.

Here let me spell it out for you God/ the Creator created Adam and Eve they had Cain and Able, Cain killed Able. So now only 3 humans on earth in the Garden of Eden. What was in the land of Node that Cain found to have as a wife??

In all honesty...no it doesn't. I don't understand what you are trying to imply by that at all. Please clarify...

My logic was that if homosexuality is a sign of the last days, then we have been in the "last days" for about the past 2,000 years since there have been notable homosexual couples for at least that long (if not longer). I don't know if it is because I am not particularly religious, but I don't understand what the "thief in the night" comment has to do with that at all.

That is why you need to study your history.
Pre dating even the Roman Empire you had the love of Alexander and Hephaestion.
Pre Alexander there was Achilles and Patroclus.

GLBT is not new to humanity its as old as humanity.

Here let me spell it out for you God/ the Creator created Adam and Eve they had Cain and Able, Cain killed Able. So now only 3 humans on earth in the Garden of Eden. What was in the land of Node that Cain found to have as a wife??



now i got it. vicky are you telepathic. i ask this becuase i was thinking about 2 days ago how did we get here. accourding to the bible the earth was misterusly re populated twice. after adam and eve, and like you said only one son was left and after the great flood. well when i say misterously i mean it could have not been naturally repopulated with out incest which is a sin. so it was either incest or god just created more human beings. which lead me to wonder why did the bible leave out how the earths population grew again, is it some sort of cover up. i guess adam and eve's son went with eve, or eve and adam had a girl and he went with his sister. in noahs case it is clear that his sons children went with each other.


ok i got that off my chest. i have a question, what lead you to ask me this question becuase we were discussing homosexulity what were you trying to prove? are you trying to say homosexulity helped repopulated the earth?

That is why you need to study your history.
Pre dating even the Roman Empire you had the love of Alexander and Hephaestion.
Pre Alexander there was Achilles and Patroclus.

GLBT is not new to humanity its as old as humanity.

amen to that, i dont know bout the cross dressers but definatly homosexulity. also i have absolultly no prove of this, it is just a theory so here goes, i think back in those days homosexuals was more butch and lesbians were more feminine.

amen to that, i dont know bout the cross dressers but definatly homosexulity. also i have absolultly no prove of this, it is just a theory so here goes, i think back in those days homosexuals was more butch and lesbians were more feminine.

Cross gender has been just as old.
http://www.gendertree.com/Egyptian%20third%20gender.htm

http://www.lilithgallery.com/hermaphroditus/